Sacking managers

[cromwell]

This is well underway now in the Premier League.
Half the time, I don't know why the club does it.
Julien Lopetegui has just got the bullet from West Ham; and was having to take training knowing that the club was talking to his successor, Graham Potter.
West Ham, be it noted, let David Moyes go at the end of last season because the fans didn't like the football his teams produced.
Or Russell Martin at Southampton, who scraped into the PL via the playoffs with a squad which is nowhere near PL standards.

What do the owners and fans of these clubs expect? How are West Ham going to compete with the monied clubs of Man City, Arsenal etc?
With great difficulty.
With the squad that Southampton have it would be a big surprise if they stayed up.

I'm not saying never sack the manager. But some are replaced (sometimes at great expense) by another manager who is no better and given the players at his disposal, would have to work miracles to produce success.

ETA- since I posted this, Everton have sacked Sean Dyche!

[Workingman]

I read a few football blogs and I keep seeing the suggestion that managers should have transfer windows similar to the ones players have.

I have no idea how that would work but the claim often made is that managers would be given time to develop 'their' teams and squads rather than owners / boards 'fire fighting' for a short term fix before moving on to the next disposable manager when things do not work out.

Potter at West Ham is a good example. West Ham will not be relegated so he has till the end of the season to sort things out then start afresh next season.

[miasmum]

David Moyes seems to be the favourite for the Everton job.....again

Makes us a bit nervous with the new manager bounce thing, but to be honest Wolves, Southampton and Leicester dont seem to have bounced much.

The manager seems to be the scapegoat, for lazy players to hide behind.

I listen to the Daily Ipswich podcast and on Thursday we have a chat to the podcast of whichever team we are playing. And several will ask the question 'are the fans starting to lose faith in McKenna' The answer is always emphatically no.

[JoM]

The manager seems to be the scapegoat, for lazy players to hide behind.

Yes, absolutely this. We’ve all been saying that for a while, it’s mentioned a lot that our players have downed tools to get managers sacked. It’s clear at other clubs too when you get the new manager bounce when someone new comes in.
Marcus Rashford is a prime example. There’s a sports journalist, Andy Mitten, who is also a Utd supporter (often see him outside the ground as he’s also editor of one of the fanzines sold outside) and he did an interview recently where he said that he’s spoken to all managers over the years that Rashford has played under (LvG, Mourhino, Ole, Rangnick, Ten Hag) and everyone of them has had disciplinary issues with him. He’s lazy, no two ways about it. Every performance is half-assed.
The only decent season he had in recent times was two years ago when he was chasing a new contract but as soon as that was signed he reverted to type.
It looks like Amorim has him sussed though as he’s been frozen out, only problem is that no one appears to want to buy him so we’re stuck with paying him £325,000 per week.

Luke Shaw is supposedly back from injury in the next two weeks so that means we’re two and a half weeks away from his next injury.

[cromwell]

Just bumping this because Southampton have just sacked Ivan Juric.
I don't know what they were expecting from him. One win in fourteen matches, yes, but you could have Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger or Alf Ramsey as manager of Southampton this year and they would still have been relegated. They never had the players to stay up.

[Workingman]

You would not put any money on Van Nistelrooy being at Leicester much longer. Another "name" taking on a job he was not suited for. Both he and the club should have known that, but they went for it regardless. Why these former players don't ply their trade for a few years at smaller clubs to learn the ropes is a mystery.

At least Ipswich look to be sticking with Kieran McKenna, and good on them. Yes, they might go down, but he knows the club and players and will have a chance of getting them promoted again.

[miasmum]

and yet some fans still shouting for him to go. There is no way Kieran is going unless he chooses to. He has the backing of a fantastic management company, the players truly respect him and so do most true fans.

Frank Lampard seems to have finally found his level at Coventry.

[TheOstrich]

Well down here, Gillingham Town FC, they've a record of 1 win and 5 draws in 38 games this season, and they haven't sacked Neil Coates yet!

[miasmum]

I was just looking through the recent results and dont Gillingham have about 6 draws on the bounce?

[TheOstrich]

I was just looking through the recent results and dont Gillingham have about 6 draws on the bounce?

That's Gillingham FC in Kent, MM, in League Division 2.

I was on about Gillingham Town FC in Dorset, my home town, who are about to drop out of the bottom of the Non-League Pyramid, as the latest league table demonstrates:

https://fulltime.thefa.com/index.html;j ... petition=0

Perhaps we'll get Ivan Juric from Southampton next season then. The Tangoes are supposed to be playing Southampton Vets in a charity game in July .....