Some riots are more equal than others

[cromwell]

When the Roma kick off in Harehills, there is a brief burst of tough talk from the politicians, followed by "Talking with Community leaders".

When English people kick off about the murder of innocent young girls, oh dearie me, it's different then.
"Far right thugs". "Hate". "Full force of the law". Etc, etc, etc.

This is going to get worse.

[Workingman]

Let's be honest. This is about the kid-glove treatment of Moslems going back decades. Think of Rochdale, Oldham, Rotherham, parts of London, etc. where mainly Pakistani and Bangladeshis men did despicable things. They have got away with actions not acceptable to the UK and some sections have had enough. I do not agree with the violence, but I do understand the frustration.

Islam is a religion and not a particularly nice one; it is not a race. If people want to follow it that is their business and that's fine, but do not bring it to my door. And certainly do not make out that you are superior to non-followers and blameless. You definitely are not - you are brainwashed.

[TheOstrich]

I'm not sure you can equate what happened in Harehills with Southport, Crommers, to be honest.

Harehills was a child protection issue that was, I suspect, executed insensitively by the Social Services, as we all know does happen. The whole scenario needed explaining to the community leaders after the event.

Southport is an entirely different kettle of fish, with rioting sparked by mis-information and bad agents. Police comments that pointedly (and stupidly) left the door open for an interpretation of terrorism ("cannot rule it out at this stage") poured fuel on the flames.

I think the police need to take a long hard look at how they handle these incidents. It's not easy, I admit - transparency vs protecting rights. But if a senior police officer tells me again that I mustn't speculate, I'll scream. If you want to avoid speculation, be transparent from the start.

[Kaz]

Totally agreeing with you here, Ossie.

There is no justification for what happened in Southport, it was rent-a-mob, and just made a horrible tragic situation far worse.

[Workingman]

Harehills was a child protection issue that was, I suspect, executed insensitively by the Social Services, as we all know does happen. The whole scenario needed explaining to the community leaders after the event.

Harehills is my old stomping ground. So, what does a family protection issue have to to do with the whole community rioting thing? Nothing. No police explanation was necessary; it was the locals who rioted, not the police.

Southport is another matter

I think that the "communities" need to take a long hard look at how they behave.

[medsec222]

I agree totally about the importance of transparency. However the police had their hands tied legally as the accused was only aged 17 and lack of information left a vacuum which social media quickley filled with unsubstantiated rumour and scaremongering about the accused's background. However, there is an underlying impression, even anger, held by many ordinary members of the public that two tier policing is in operation, and unfortunately this has led to a mistrust of the police. I think Keir Starmer missed the point in his address to the nation. Quite rightly he condemned the violence but he has laid the unrest solely at the door of the far right. I have no doubt that rent a mob jumped on the bandwagon with the intention of causing trouble, but Keir Starmer has made no effort to address the underlying problem. The public want the boats stopped and illegal economic migration halted, and so far neither the Conservatives nor Labour have been able to do anything about it. These migrants are entering this country in ever increasing numbers, often destroying their identification on the way here. No check is apparently made on where they have come from or if they have intensions of doing harm once they are admitted to this country.

Sir Keir has addressed the nation and effectively told us that it is the far right who are the root cause of the trouble and that they will be severely dealt with. He has not looked any further as to why there is underlying unrest and what the government could do to address these concerns.

[Kaz]

But the killer is not a migrant, or a Moslem, his parents are Christian. His parents are legal immigrants from Rwanda, and he was born here. If someone born here commits a crime, how far back should we go to blame their "otherness" Can we do it if they're second generation, or third, or fourth?

[victor]

All these politicians know full well what Joe public think and want as regards the illegal immigrants ,but none of them have the guts to do anything about it.
For a start STOP the border force taxi service from escorting them in,turn them around and tow them back and start deporting.
Of course this won't happen cos they are all afraid to do anything.
There will only be more riots.
I read the other day that a "person "
was trying to buy an island off Scotland where he intended to build a mosque,hospital, schools,etc solely for the use of Muslims and then establish an army.

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[TheOstrich]

I wouldn't worry too much, Vic, it's reported the owner will not be selling to him.

Mind you, if it had been Hayling Island .....

[cromwell]

Let's be honest. This is about the kid-glove treatment of Moslems going back decades. Think of Rochdale, Oldham, Rotherham, parts of London, etc. where mainly Pakistani and Bangladeshis men did despicable things. They have got away with actions not acceptable to the UK and some sections have had enough. I do not agree with the violence, but I do understand the frustration.

This is certainly part of it.

The nickname "Two tier Kier" is now being bandied about.

As for the "Far right thugs" "mindless violence" tropes that are now being pushed. I don't agree with the riots; I'm sorry that police officers are getting hurt.
But I understand why the riots are happening. They are a visceral reaction to the mindless violence being visited on innocent people by immigrants or the imediate descendants of immigrants.

And that is something which no mainstream politician wants to talk about.