So where are we?

[Workingman]

The NI Protocol Bill, proposed by Fat Uncle Boris, will not be voted upon - it has effectively been dropped.

Instead we have Risky's "Windsor Framework", and although it has good support it could still be torpedoed by the DUP, so we would still be in limbo. But get this: Risky says that his deal is so good because it puts Northern Ireland in an 'unbelievably special position' because of access to EU single market.

OK, I get that, but if it is so good then why not let the whole of the UK get the 'unbelievably special position' and have access to the EU single market?

Think before you speak, Risky, that could come back to bite you.

[cromwell]

On the path to rejoining the EU maybe?

The leader of the Conservative party is a globalist WEF fanboy. So is the leader of the Labour party.

And that is where we are headed; where foreign billionaires want us to be headed.

[Suff]

His large majority is heavily biased with Red Wall Brexiteers.

He had to remind everyone that he was a Brexit voter. Lest they forget that and think he wants to go back to the EU..... Then they might not vote for him at the next election.

Spoiler alert.

They're not voting for him at the next election. They're going to vote for a globalist WEF fanboy of a Lord. The big difference there is that more than 50% of those voters, plus MP's, were remain. If Starmer were to get in with a large majority and then start making moves to rejoin the EU, there would be virtually nothing to stop him. At least until the next election. When the full fury of more than half the voters would descend on him.

[Workingman]

On the path to rejoining the EU maybe?

No, that's a step too far, even for a remainer. It just would not sit well with too many people. Then there's the EU view, would it want us back? Not guaranteed.

However, the UK joining the single market and customs union might not be out of the question in the medium term.

That is what I was thinking when I heard Risky's praise for the single market.

[Suff]

On the path to rejoining the EU maybe?

That is what I was thinking when I heard Risky's praise for the single market.

What EEA? All the rules, all the CJEU and the laws and directives and no say and no control?

I'm wondering when it is time to suggest that as the economy didn't collapse, as the economy weathered both Brexit AND Covid and as the economy is growing faster than the EU right now, we might, just, want to leave the EU alone to do its own thing for a while and come back in a decade or two and see what is and what is not, worthwhile.

Reality is cruel. With the UK gone the nominal GDP of the EU is now nearly $2tn less than China.

EU GDP
Global GDP

I find it very interesting that whilst the UK was in the EU and the EU GDP was greater than China, the Wiki page on Global GDP listed the EU as a line at the top, just under the US. Now it is gone.

What the UK really needs to do is just get on with trading around the world, looking to growing the economy and living with Brexit for good or bad. The major issue here is that the majority of Westminster would prefer it does not work. So keeping us on the knife edge, refusing to take decisions and move on, keeps us within the "align with the EU" bracket.

Eventually this may be decided by companies and where they want to trade. Not by the politicians. Especially if the trade is successful and the economy grows.

But, you know, politics is politics and the economy is a political pawn and we are tied to the EU with NI and so we can't just let it go away. Not yet anyway.

[Workingman]

Suff, why did you trunkate my quote and leave out:

No, that's a step too far, even for a remainer. It just would not sit well with too many people. Then there's the EU view, would it want us back? Not guaranteed.

However, the UK joining the single market and customs union might not be out of the question in the medium term.

In its entirity it is very different from what you are trying to make out. Please do not do it again.

You did it so that you could have your usual anti EU rant that has nothing to do with the subject at hand - NI and how it fits within the UK and EU.

[Suff]

In its entirity it is very different from what you are trying to make out. Please do not do it again.

You did it so that you could have your usual anti EU rant that has nothing to do with the subject at hand - NI and how it fits within the UK and EU.

Agreed, my bad. I chopped it out and should have kept it in it's entirety. My apologies. It would not have changed my view or words but I should have left your context in place.

In recompense, if you want to see me being really controversial, I could give you my ChatGPT session about the collapse of the Twin Towers....

OR not...

[Workingman]

Thank you.

I hope that you do not mind me passing on the Twin Towers. I have strong views about that and they are not printable on such a polite site.

[Suff]

Not at all.

[Suff]

I hope that you do not mind me passing on the Twin Towers. I have strong views about that and they are not printable on such a polite site.

I have strong views too which is why I went to a computer intelligence to get as much information as I could. It rapidly became evident that the computer could and did provide significant amounts of detail and would reason when producing it. But the computer had been told one Fact with total override which coloured everything it responded with.

The chat is not for those who want to comfortably lie in their beds safe in the knowledge that we are protected and safe. Especially if you consider the military applications of such a setup.

Anyway, as you say, not for the discussions here.