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Will she resign or be sacked?

Postby Workingman » 27 Oct 2022, 21:01

Suella Braverman, that is.

Attacks are coming from all sides: the opposition; Tory MPs; former Home Secretaries, a former Tory head of the intelligence and security committee; Cabinet officials and former Tory chairmen.

Apparently there are many more multiple breaches of the ministerial code than the sending of secure emails on her private account.

It is said that civil servants in the Home Office do not like her and that MI5 is suspicious of, and reluctant to disclose all issues, with her. Even Tory MPs are calling for an independent investigation.
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Re: Will she resign or be sacked?

Postby Suff » 27 Oct 2022, 21:29

And everyone thought Boris would be the death knell. He'd have brought Priti Patel back.

All those Tories who knee jerked against Boris now finding that Sunak may be a financial wizard but he's no PM and will be given no time to gain the experience.

The comedy show rolls on.
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Re: Will she resign or be sacked?

Postby cromwell » 28 Oct 2022, 12:49

Another media campaign to get someone sacked, what a surprise. More confected outrage.

How long can they keep this one going?

And who is next?
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Re: Will she resign or be sacked?

Postby cromwell » 28 Oct 2022, 12:59

Angus Lapsley.

Anyone remember him?

He was the civil servant who lost fifty pages of classified Ministry of Defence documents.
Some related to our military involvement in Afghanistan post US and NATO withdrawal. They turned up at a bus stop in Kent.

Such secret documents, printed out on pink paper, are not supposed to be taken from government buildings unless they are properly logged out and securely stored. A special case was used to store them when they were retrieved from the BBC, a Whitehall source said. The source added: “The documents should not have been taken out of the building in this way and in this case.”

James Sunderland, a former soldier and backbench Conservative MP, said the person who removed the documents “must be held fully to account” because “the incident must have involved the deliberate removal of pink – secret – documents from the MOD secure area”.

Mr Lapsley has now resurfaced, being appointed to NATO and heading up a team responsible for ‘defence policy questions, including nuclear issues’.

But then again, he is a member of the Civil Service, one of the chosen.
The same Civil Service who are now briefing against Suella Braverman.

Rather selective outrage, imo.
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Re: Will she resign or be sacked?

Postby Suff » 28 Oct 2022, 13:52

Well it worked to get rid of Boris. Why not try again!
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Re: Will she resign or be sacked?

Postby Workingman » 28 Oct 2022, 15:40

When did the opposition; Tory MPs; former Home Secretaries, a former Tory head of the intelligence and security committee; Cabinet officials and former Tory chairmen. become the media?

Oh, they didn't, the media is just reporting what these people are saying. It's, sort of, part of the job description. I'd rather have even the Mail and Express than TASS, KCNA and Xinhua. Maybe that's just me.

And let's not forget that Boris, with his lies, cheating, incompetence and law breaking, got rid of Boris... with a bit of help from his resigning Ministers (Sunak et al) and some MPs.
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Re: Will she resign or be sacked?

Postby Suff » 28 Oct 2022, 15:48

Oh and the treasonous leaking of video determined secret.

Let us not forget that.

The opposition? Stuff em. Civil servants? Time to get with the program. Tory MP's? Whipped to the bone.

This government and the government ministers? The province of the PM and approved by the King. If the rest of them don't like it, they can sort it out at the next election. If the Tory back benchers want to bring the government down, then they can self immolate. Good riddance.

It is about time this circus ended. I hope Sunak is strong enough to end it. Simply by telling them all to shut the F up and get on with it or face the consequences (Tories obviously).

It is a forlorn hope but it is what it is.
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Re: Will she resign or be sacked?

Postby Workingman » 28 Oct 2022, 18:34

The government is the cabinet of ministers lead by the PM. When Johnson's cabinet (government) did the rats and the sinking ship thing there was nothing the figurehead, the Queen, could do about it. Just as there is nothing the new figurehead, the King, can do about the mess this new lot are creating.

Sunak telling all and sundry to STFU? That would work: NOT.

I hope he tries as it would bring on the much needed GE.
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Re: Will she resign or be sacked?

Postby Suff » 30 Oct 2022, 19:51

He won't do it.

He can tell the opposition to go do one. His Tory problems are a bigger issue. For that he needs to advise that playing games with supporting the government is career limiting within the Tory party.

To be honest, with an over 70 seat majority, so long as he has the members under control, does he need to give a crap what the press think?
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Re: Will she resign or be sacked?

Postby Workingman » 30 Oct 2022, 20:32

Suff wrote:To be honest, with an over 70 seat majority, so long as he has the members under control, does he need to give a crap what the press think?

No, but he does have to give one about what the public think, and that will not be forthcoming from the blue rinsers, the Monocles or his own MPs; only the media will tell him the truth.

We now learn that the phone of Truss, when foreign minister, was hacked, supposedly by the Russians. On it were details of negotiations with key international allies. Why were those details on her private phone? Surely ministers would have secure phones for those sorts of things - government business, not to be shared? 'Need to know' and all that.

It is also claimed that the Hi-viz and hard hat fancy dress man-child, and the Cabinet Secretary, suppressed the news. New questions are being asked.
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