Circuit Breaker

[Suff]

Sometimes it takes an image or two to see that.

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New Deaths per day France




This is the difference between a full country lockdown and discrete attempts to block the worst of the impact without screwing the economy.

[Workingman]

Ah France. Curfews in nine city areas from 21:00 - 06:00 hrs because, as we all know, the vampirovirus only comes out in the dark. And in other places (NI for example) there will be no alcohol sales, anywhere, after 20:00 hrs because it is only alcohol sold after that time that gets you p1ssed and makes you act like a fool.

I have given up on the will to think about the coronavirus.

Meanwhile Lancashire has now gone into Tier 3 and that foretells that W. Yorkshire will follow. Leeds and Bradford, especially, have higher rates per 100,000 than parts of Lancashire, and don't bet on the N. East escaping.

[Suff]

The French eat dinner from 19:30. Which means that by setting a curfew at 21:30 they are Seriously curtailing drinking time. In fact they are just about allowing enough time for someone to get dinner out and get home.

One of our local pubs/cafe's, only opens till 8pm during the week and 21:30 at the weekends. Even less in Winter. The French are not beer swilling louts in general. Even in the cities. Hence these curfew's will radically reduce interaction.

[Workingman]

When I lived half my life, two weeks per month, in Paris work did not finish till 18:00 to 18:30 hrs ish. Then it was back to the hotel for a tidy up and a shower then out to meet work / course colleagues for a meal at about 19:30 - 20:00 hrs, Boulevard Maréchal / Victor areas. A few beers after and it was back to the hotel by 22:00 - to 22:30 hrs. All very relaxed and convivial without getting anywhere near smashed. The curfew, which starts at 21:00 hrs not 21:30, would have put paid to all that. Such a shame.

[Suff]

Yes, 21:00 will really put a crimp in that. It takes the French 20 minutes to present the bill unless you actually leave your table and walk to the till.

I live in an area with a lot of brits. You can tell they don't integrate with the French community, they invite people for Dinner at 17:30.

This is something we need to get through. I'm a bit irritated with all this "it will never bee the same, the sky is falling our lives are ruined forever". With over 200 vaccine candidates it may take a while but one thing is absolutely certain, Covid-19 will be defeated. It is just a matter of when.

I remember the 2nd gulf war and one analyst saying "they have to have an attention span longer than a drink of water". Quite.

[cromwell]

I think it's a bit more than a short attention span Suff.
Maybe the French authorities have handled th cv19 outbreak better than the UK. Imo that wouldn't be too difficult and you would know more about that than me.
Frustration is building in the UK and for many reasons.
Certain communities have not abided by the rules. Those of us who have are pretty cheesed off about that.
There are also very viable civil liberties concerns. Locking students up in halls of residence is not to my taste, nor is being told I can't have my children to visit me. Politicians love power. Will they - any of them - willingly surrender these "emergency" powers? I wonder.
Ultimately though there is a growing feeling that we (most of us) have done what we were told to do but we appear to be no further forward.

Will we have another national lock down from Monday? One that will further damage the economy, putting the jobs of our children even motr at risk?
For a disease that doesn't kill healthy people less than 40 years old yet still we confine these people to barracks?
On the advice of "experts" some of whom have been revealed as rather inexpert?

People are fed up and angry and imo they have reason to be.

[Workingman]

Yes, Cromwell, all sides are fed up and angry, but does anybody know what to do?

There is no 'science' to follow because the scientists are in disagreement - they are as divided as the rest of us. Their models are just that: models.

The politicians are, well, politicians. They will do what is best for their party / ideology - see Foghorn Burnham for details. The rest of us are just pawns in their game.

Some of us. like yourself, will follow the rules as best we can and hope for the best, whilst at the same time questioning those rules. Others will go their own way, regardless, because they see the rules as a curtailment of their civil liberties - sod any fines, they will not pay them.

I cannot see any quick fix to any of this,

[Suff]

Crommers, I would say the French people have handled this better. The government has done little more than the UK. The only key difference was at the beginning when they required an attestation form and had immediate fines.

As the 30,000 cases yesterday and the 25,000 cases today have shown, none of the remedies worked except to partially slow the onset of the virus.

Of course the experts don't have a model, the last global pandemic of this type was Spanish flu and they couldn't decide if it was viral or bacterial, let alone test everyone or even keep good records.

So people are frustrated. Of course they are. It is not going to change for at least 4 weeks, maybe 8 weeks. But it will change eventually.

[TheOstrich]

There is a strong rumour - based on a leaked letter to some Welsh Transport Authority - that Wales is, on Monday, going to announce a full circuit-breaker lockdown for 17 days commencing next Friday. A decision will be taken tomorrow (Monday) apparently .....

[Workingman]

I am getting sick and tired by all these "rumours of" and then the delays from announcement to implementation. If a lockdown or extra measures are needed then get them done - no ifs or buts. And no negotiations with gobby mayors, industry or police and crime commissioners.