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Re: So, as predicted, Boris won.

Postby Suff » 23 Jul 2019, 17:23

As far as I am aware, the government can overrule the Scottish courts in the supreme Court.

This is more grandstanding. If they were serious, they would have gone to a court which has UK pertinence within the Union. Not a Scottish country court.

As this is Union law and not Scottish law, I would not expect the court of session to have durisdiction. Although it might try to rule anyway.

We have a few months for all these shenanigans to play out.
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Re: So, as predicted, Boris won.

Postby Workingman » 23 Jul 2019, 17:47

Suff wrote:As far as I am aware, the government can overrule the Scottish courts in the supreme Court.

Really! I thought that the Supreme Court was independent of government.

And qualified legal minds obviously disagree with your assessment(s) otherwise the case would have already been thrown out.

From what I gather the legal team is to use other Brexit decisions, Gina Miller and also revoking A50, to argue the court should state the law in advance of the Queen being asked to suspend Parliament.

Then there is the device of a humble address to the monarch, as I reported earlier, where parliament asks the Queen to request the EU for an extension of A50 over the head of the PM, which is her right as head of state.

Hang on to your hats, this premiership is going to be a bumpy ride.
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Re: So, as predicted, Boris won.

Postby TheOstrich » 23 Jul 2019, 18:29

Firstly, thoughts for you, Ria, it's nowhere near a good situation for you and other EU nationals who wish to stay here, and I do hope some sort of permanent solution gets sorted out soon.

As for Boris, well, this Brexit fiasco; it's a bit like a commuter train into Waterloo. Start, judder along a bit, then stop. Repeat process for three years.

I feel that with Boris taking the helm, we're at least starting to get on the move again, and with any luck, we'll be passing through Clapham soon and on the final approach to the terminus. It's only once we've got there and disembarked, we can all get on with the rest of our lives. So, good news in a way, but I suspect there'll be a few more signal checks before we reach Platform 7.
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Re: So, as predicted, Boris won.

Postby Workingman » 24 Jul 2019, 17:56

Night of the long knives in what is officially the biggest clear out of Cabinet without a change of party in power, and there are more to come.

He has surrounded himself with a cabal of "yes" men and women and hardline no-dealers who are all well aware not to criticise or cross him or they will be sacked - he has his echo chamber.

However, in doing so he could have created a hard core group of remainers in the Tory party in parliament, some of whom have already said that they would vote against him.

I wonder what opposition strategists are thinking tonight? Do they wait until after he has made his statement to the HoC tomorrow and immediately hit him with a no confidence vote? Or do they wait till parliament reconvenes and see what troubles are created for him in the meantime before a no confidence vote? Or do they do both?
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Re: So, as predicted, Boris won.

Postby medsec222 » 24 Jul 2019, 18:14

There will be plenty of bruised egos smarting on the back benches. Boris certainly knows how to make enemies.
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Re: So, as predicted, Boris won.

Postby cruiser2 » 25 Jul 2019, 09:05

meriad wrote:
saundra wrote:who cares

I care Saundra... I and many many other EU nationals. We are still left in limbo because no-one will 100% confirm anyone's rights etc... yes we have settled status etc; and yes I need to get going and apply for UK citizenship; and I'm lucky that I can - many can't yet. And I've heard too many people telling of employers that are already refusing (illegally I'll add) to renew contracts for some EU nationals because of this blasted darn Brexit

So yes, I care!


Saw it the paper yesterday were some continental sportsmen may not be able continue for English teams afte31st October. So the Brexit deal can affect every body. Be interesting to see some of the big clubs losing some of their best players.
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Re: So, as predicted, Boris won.

Postby Workingman » 25 Jul 2019, 20:25

With all due respect, Cruiser, the people you talk about are not necessary for the functioning of the UK - they would not be missed. They are not in the same league (pun) as the likes of Ria.

Ria's types work damned hard to do the unseen work to keep the UK afloat. And the country bloody well needs them because over the years we have failed to train up our own people to do these necessary jobs... instead we encourage them to go on X-factor, BGT, Strictly, Love Island, I'm a Sleb, anything Ant 'n Dec and so on in order to 'make it'.

So, we import veg pickers, street cleaners, Big Issue sellers, hotel bed makers, cleaners, bar staff, baristas(?) and care workers(!) and pretend that we lack those skills - skills? Then we claim that even though they work on below living wage and need in-work benefits to survive they are somehow an asset to our economy.
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Re: So, as predicted, Boris won.

Postby Suff » 26 Jul 2019, 18:33

If I'm reading the press correctly, Boris is guaranteeing right to remain, indefinitely, for EU citizens currently the country.

He also wants a points style system for immigration. Australia also sucks in workers but limits the number of them. The main problem people have been getting irritated about is the ability of EU citizens to just turn up, demand a NI number then go search for work and the UK has simply been complying without any questions asked. Unlike Germany and France who have been limiting social fund registration to force workers out of the country.

WM, you argue against yourself when you talk about us "choosing" not to get our people to do these menial jobs. For the imported EU citizens, it has been a case of them flooding in, taking the low wages, then taking those wages home and living comfortably on them due to the economic imbalance between our countries. Employers take the lower paid EU citizens because UK people get more on benefits (or they did, we'll see where universal credit goes), meaning that employers would have to pay more for their staff.

On top of this there is the short term employment part where they pay under the minimum wage and these people skip from job to job and nobody cares.

I'm not a fool, I know that we suck people in from all over the world and "suck" at removing them too. Leaving them open to abuse as unregistered workers. However you have to start somewhere.

France has also offered to allow people to register for indefinite leave to remain. However they are doing it in a typically French way. Everyone I know who has submitted their documents have been waiting between 9 and 18 months for a response from the department dealing with it.

So far our PM has dumped the "balance" from the cabinet and staffed it with the correct people to get us out of the EU. Told the EU to agree to re-open the "deal" and dump the backstop or it he won't even begin talks, appointed a chancellor who is focused on feeding funds to a no deal mitigation strategy and eviscerated Corbyn at PMQ's.

Granted it's a honeymoon period. Should last till about Monday. However I'm still waiting for him to step on his tadger with the golf shoes.... Might take a while though, he has more handlers now.
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Re: So, as predicted, Boris won.

Postby medsec222 » 26 Jul 2019, 20:32

Thinking about the balance of the cabinet and whether Boris has appointed people around him who echo his views. I am not sure what else he could have done. He has set himself an incredibly difficult challenge to deliver brexit by 31 October and he needs people around him to help him achieve his goal. Theresa May chose a balanced cabinet and what good did it do her. Constant wrangling. Boris hasn't got time for it.
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Re: So, as predicted, Boris won.

Postby jenniren » 26 Jul 2019, 22:37

medsec222 wrote:Thinking about the balance of the cabinet and whether Boris has appointed people around him who echo his views. I am not sure what else he could have done. He has set himself an incredibly difficult challenge to deliver brexit by 31 October and he needs people around him to help him achieve his goal. Theresa May chose a balanced cabinet and what good did it do her. Constant wrangling. Boris hasn't got time for it.

What medsec says. Now let's hope he succeeds and we can get on with it.
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