European Elections

[cromwell]

Labour are in a pickle.
Most of their members want to remain, but two thirds of Labour seats voted to leave.
So if they now back remain they risk losing seats in those leave voting areas.
Plus their conversion comes a bit late in the day. The LibDems have always been remain.
I believe that the Tories will desperately try and cobble some fudge together; Imo they are in trouble as well. Their members want to leave, their MPs want to remain.
All in all, it's a bit of a mess.

[Workingman]

It is interesting to note that dedicated Remain parties are 5% points ahead of dedicated Leave parties.

The big problem is trying to define how the 24% who voted ConLab split. If it is on known voting intentions then overall the country is still split.

They are both in a pickle. Current thinking is that if the new PM tries to force through a no-deal Brexit, or sits on its hands to get one, the government will be brought down. John Curtis, the elections analyst, says that will bring another hung parliament with a possible three way coalition.

We really are in a mess.

[medsec222]

No doubt all the Parties will be putting their own spin on the results of the election. The one thing that is for certain is that the Brexit Party took the highest number of seats over all the regions in England and Wales except London. I don't see how those who say that the remaining Parties won the most votes overall can equate the maths. Yes, I should image a great number of people who voted Liberal Democrats did so in the hope of stopping Brexit. It is difficult to be sure about those who voted Green. There is an upsurge in concern for the environment, so it is impossible to separate those who voted because of environmental issues and those who voted because they want to remain in the EU. Coupled with that, the Green Party throughout the EU did well, and that has nothing to do with Brexit. And as we are adding up votes and making assumptions about those who possibly voted tactically to remain or leave, what about Conservative and Labour voters. Don't they need to be added into the equation as well. Who can be certain amongst those two Parties who voted for leave or who voted to remain? And how many leavers didn't bother to turn up to vote because they felt they had already voted once and had been ignored. It is impossible to be certain.

Whether you agree with Nigel Farage or not, he at least fought a campaign and took his message out to the people. He only campaigned on one issue and that was to leave the EU, so we can be certain all those who voted for the Brexit Party voted to leave the EU. The Conservative and Labour Parties have only themselves to blame. They saw Nigel Farage coming, no doubt about that, but instead of mounting a strong campaign to derail him, they stuck their heads into the sand and continued to quarrel amongst themselves.

[Workingman]

They saw Nigel Farage coming, no doubt about that, but instead of mounting a strong campaign to derail him, they stuck their heads into the sand and continued to quarrel amongst themselves.

Yes, history repeating itself. Same bloke, same spin, new party name, so what did they do - took a leaf out of Cameron's book = same result.

Politics needs some street smarts in there not rafts of lawyers, solicitors, party hacks and PPE students who have never done a real day's work. Like him or not, and I do not, there is no getting away from the fact that Farage plays them like a piano.