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Re: Cyprus "bail out"

Postby Suff » 19 Mar 2013, 09:34

Kaz wrote:Cypriot banks have now locked people's accounts so they can't take their money away. Does anyone want to defend that???? :roll: Holding people's money to ransom, basically :roll:


Reality bites.

Banks don't have all our money to give back because they take it and lend it to others at advantageous interest rates. Most people don't understand the 5% rule that the world governments are trying to increase. Simply it goes like this.

You and everyone else pay money into the bank. The bank lends 95% of it. They keep only 5% in assets.

If the banks did NOT do this, then they would collapse as they would not be able to pay back their investors without borrowing the 95% they have loaned out. If they did borrow, under these circumstances, then they would have to pay more interest than they receive on the loans.

Why is it so difficuilt to understand that if 1,000 people borrow £500,000 on a 25 year mortgage, then the bank is lying out that [edit]£500m for the better part of 12 years before they get the majority of it back. That £500m is Your Money working for You and the Bank. You can't have it back unless you foreclose on those 1,000 mortgages. THAT is where the Cypriot's money is and that is why they can't have it back all at once....

It is far more irresponsible to allow people to panic withdraw as much as they can from their banks and to allow them to have a run on the banks, like the 1930's and the banks collasping, than to do the unpopular thing and restrict access to the money in people's accounts.

This is not difficult to understand, but like a Fiat Currency (which all are today), it all comes down to confidence. If there is no confidence, people very rapidly come to realise that the currency and banking system is a house of cards.

So you say "Justify this". What I say is "It is pure irresponsibility to do anything else".
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Re: Cyprus "bail out"

Postby cromwell » 20 Mar 2013, 10:55

Suff wrote:
Kaz wrote:I see that Putin is weighing in now. Of course the British news is not reporting that.

I also saw the Cypriot who was answering questions on C4 cut off by a "technical" issue when he accused the EU of Blackmail. They cut to their German talking head who closed out the item....

This is a good point. Our TV news is massively slanted. When big trouble hit Greece there were posters of Angela Merkel in Nazi uniform displayed by protesters. This went unshown on TV. This time in Cyprus there have been posters where the EU star has been rearranged into a swastika. Afew years ago French fishermen protesting about fuel prices burned EU flags. There have been recent anti EU austerity riots in Spain and Portugal - all have gone unreported on our TV news.
It is immensely skewed. BBC Ceefax had an article yesterday saying that EU leaders were calling for the Cypriot government not to tax their poorer savers - making it sound like the benevolent EU politicians were standing in front of the Cypriot government saying "NO! You shall not do this", when the truth according to one German politician is that the bank levy was the idea of the European Commission and the IMF.

Lies, damned lies and UK TV news.
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Re: Cyprus "bail out"

Postby Workingman » 20 Mar 2013, 11:17

cromwell wrote:Lies, damned lies and UK TV news.

The reasons I do not rely on it or the UK press.

News of unrest, even though it might be in small pockets in various countries, might embolden others to join in, and that would never do, so we get Diana's dress sale and 'news' the the last 6 0'clock News has been transmitted from the old TV Centre and Beckham goes to China. :evil: :evil: :evil:
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Re: Cyprus "bail out"

Postby Suff » 20 Mar 2013, 11:56

I have RT news in the Travelodge.

Did it get reported on the UK TV news that the Greek Finance Minister was in Russia talking to his Russian counterpart and that the Commissions and the Council had forbidden the Greek government to talk to ANYONE but the Troika (Council/ECB/IMF).

I couldn't get any hint of it in the UK press at all.
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Re: Cyprus "bail out"

Postby Suff » 20 Mar 2013, 13:44

I have been reading the press articles on the whole Cyprus mess. The pundits are talking BS as usual. But let’s take a step back and look at option 5 out of the BBC’s 4 options.

Granted the Cypriots might not like it but expediency makes strange bedfellows….

OK so what is the size of the problem? Basically the banks are bust. We’ve seen that before so what is the price tag?

Well the GDP of Cyprus is £16bn. Let’s put that into perspective. The GDP of Wales is £44.5bn Do I hear anyone saying “peanuts”?? It’s hardly Italy is it?

So what’s my option 5?

Cameron sells the RBS for £50bn or so to get his money back and then recapitalises the Cypriot banks taking majority ownership (as Brown did with RBS and HBOS), to the tune of £16bn. There is no point doing it in half measures, we’d just need to die by a thousand cuts of we don’t, like Greece.

Fine so we are now major shareholders of some Cypriot banks.

Then Cyprus leaves the Euro and redenominates it’s debt in Cyprus Pounds at a 25% devaluation for one day.

They Cyprus joins Sterling to stabilise their banks and its currency.

What does the UK get out of it?

The UK gets the gas development contracts that Cyprus is now trying to flog to Russia and Cyprus uses the gas revenues to pay off its debt.

Oh and since we’re developing the gas fields, we could approach to Israelis to develop theirs for them too.

Works for me……

Too much for our EU minded government, no doubt about that…. Too much forward thinking. Oh and the Cypriots might have a big issue with the UK government owning their banks. Then again with the talks about nationalisation from their own Government, perhaps they won’t mind that much….
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Re: Cyprus "bail out"

Postby cromwell » 20 Mar 2013, 14:11

Workingman wrote:News of unrest, even though it might be in small pockets in various countries, might embolden others to join in, and that would never do, so we get Diana's dress sale and 'news' the the last 6 0'clock News has been transmitted from the old TV Centre and Beckham goes to China. :evil: :evil: :evil:

I know! Next week, "Cheryl Cole moves house" will be the lead story!
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Re: Cyprus "bail out"

Postby cromwell » 20 Mar 2013, 14:12

Suff wrote:I have RT news in the Travelodge.

Did it get reported on the UK TV news that the Greek Finance Minister was in Russia talking to his Russian counterpart and that the Commissions and the Council had forbidden the Greek government to talk to ANYONE but the Troika (Council/ECB/IMF).

I couldn't get any hint of it in the UK press at all.

It was in the Telegraph Suff, and the TV news gave it as a one liner.
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