Terrible News

[Workingman]

We cannot separate IS, the war against IS and these attacks.

I didn't say that we could, I said that they are 'two different things' meaning that they have to be dealt with in different ways - in France.

Do not forget that up to the middle of the C21st. France had been the major power in N. Africa, the Levant and parts of the ME. Its cities have large enclaves of Moroccans, Algerians, Tunisians and the ME diaspora. It had troubles long before Syria.

But yes, a very dark day.

[Suff]

I'll be able to take the mood of the people when I get home. Get a feel for what they are thinking. I can't help but think that it will drive extreme votes at the next election. If Le Pen wins, the EU may want to intervene. They'll have to be brave because the French are not like the Austrians.....

[cromwell]

The Guardian newspaper had an article today titled something like "Why does France keep getting attacked"?

They weren't allowing comments on it, which was probably for the best. Seriously though, why? It's pretty obvious why.

I wonder if this will help Le Pen? Probably not, as she may get into the second round of the Presidential elections, but the other two parties will probably united then to stop her.

The one thing I would say is that stuff like lighting up a national monument in the colours of the French flag, coming up with a hashtag like jesuischarlie, and panicky requests that we must all stay calm, aren't going to work for much longer. People are just going to get fed up with this nonsense.

Earlier in the week (before the Nice attack) the Mail carried a story about the worries of the French intelligence services, one of which is the fear that some right wingers in France want to attack Muslims. Yesterday's events won't do anything to allay their fears.

It all seems far fetched but we are living through some very strange times right now.

[Workingman]

Earlier in the week (before the Nice attack) the Mail carried a story about the worries of the French intelligence services, one of which is the fear that some right wingers in France want to attack Muslims.

Typical media! It is always the right-wingers, they are the bogeymen. The epithet is now thrown out like 'bigot', 'xenophobe' and 'racist' used to be - you, you right-winger. What if it is that the majority of French people are getting a bit pissed off that Moslems are getting away with murder on French soil and have had enough?

No! For the Libertarian media they have to be presented as right-wing extremists with murder in their hearts.

[Workingman]

I see that Sky, at least, has fallen into the IS trap by saying that IS has claimed responsibility for the massacre in Nice. Its reporter, Sam Kiley, then goes on to say that the claim should be treated with caution.

Caution? The claim should never have been published, even if it was the case. Awarding ownership for atrocities to one group or another is like giving them free recruitment advertising.

Just tell us that they are done by Islamic or Moslem terrorists and leave it at that.

[Kate1933]

Be thankful for each day, for we "ARE AT WAR" and I think each and everyone expects this country to be on the list to be attacked and
We can do nothing but wait, "and pray for The Peace that ain't going to happen" our forces have been cut to the bone, sent to Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and elsewhere where the problems have started. We have Russia threatening on one side and IS on the other.
Take every day of Peace here a bonus.

[Workingman]

For quite some time there have been mumblings here and on the continent, and further afield - Australia and the US - about how to handle Moslems in our midst.

Donald Trump certainly got the most publicity when he said that the US should ban Molslems from visiting. He wasn't as roundly criticised as even he probably thought. We have also had suggestions for many places that migrants involved in criminal activities be deported, along with their families. Now we have Senator Newt Gingrich calling for all US Muslims, get that - all, to be put through a Sharia test and that any who believe in it be deported.

It is obvious that Western countries have to do something, but the sledgehammer approach? There are millions of followers of Islam living in the West who just want to get on with their lives. Painting them all as potential terrorists risks alienating them more than they already are and having the opposite effect of what is needed - unintended consequences, and all that.

[Suff]

WM they've left themselves with little option. They have been apologists and excusists and downright racist to their own indigenous population. When segments of those who were not only rolled out the red carpet but given the family silver, suddenly turn around and bite the hand which gave them everything, like a rabid dog, there are bound to be casualties. My take is that so long as the indigenous are no longer the casualties, then they just need to get on with it and fix the problem they have made.

Of course the only possible end result is tension, strife and, in the worse case, civil war. However if there is civil war it will be short, bloody and when it's over, the problem will be gone.

I'm not putting myself forward for any option other than no more appeasement. If everyone is the same then damned well treat them the same and if some don't like it offer them the option of leaving and going somewhere where they can be treated differently.

[medsec222]

Difficult to know what to do for the best as so many muslims are peace loving. However, in cases where deportation is appropriate, it should be the whole family as well as well as the offender. Why should the taxpayer have to provide for the families of criminals. We need to have our own human rights bill, and not the European Court of Human Rights, otherwise the UK will be years trying to get rid of undesirables.

[Kate1933]

Difficult to know what to do for the best as so many muslims are peace loving. However, in cases where deportation is appropriate, it should be the whole family as well as well as the offender. Why should the taxpayer have to provide for the families of criminals. We need to have our own human rights bill, and not the European Court of Human Rights, otherwise the UK will be years trying to get rid of undesirables.

Some of my dearest friends are Muslim, there was an article regarding the kindness of the Muslims who prepare food for the
homeless, no nationality ignored, "we hear little of the good they do," and we have the menace of the BNP, the Muslim marchers who scream abuse at the police and the homeless no action is taken.,.I have retained friendship with my Muslim friends for many many years and they are as upset as myself at the state this country is in.