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Re: This is getting silly.

Postby Rodo » 26 Jun 2016, 12:44

Well, despite all that I understand that the EU have told her to bog off. She is out and that is that.
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Re: This is getting silly.

Postby Workingman » 26 Jun 2016, 13:04

Shaz, the Scotland Act 2016 does indeed say that, you are right, but what I was reading said they were the Acts of the UK Parliament and as with any such Acts they can be repealed by the UK Parliament.

I understood that the 2016 Act was to reassure the Scots that there would be no interference in its devolved powers from Westminster 'under normal circumstances'.

Threatening to attempt to veto Brexit following the democratic decision of the peoples of the UK steps well outside operating under normal circumstances. It gives the impression that Sturgeon and the SNP are wanting to set the policy of the UK.
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Re: This is getting silly.

Postby saundra » 26 Jun 2016, 13:05

Looks like everyone is at each other's throats now all resigning

And iv had a email this morning from my friend in oz who emigrated there 10years ago to join there sons
She is now complaining about the exchange rate on there uk pensions :roll:
Funny how they never complained about it when the £ was stronger I haven't replied yet I'm annoyed since she has continually criticized the UK since she left and is now an oz passport holder to make life easier she said :shock:
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Re: This is getting silly.

Postby shazsha » 26 Jun 2016, 14:19

Workingman wrote:Shaz, the Scotland Act 2016 does indeed say that, you are right, but what I was reading said they were the Acts of the UK Parliament and as with any such Acts they can be repealed by the UK Parliament.

I understood that the 2016 Act was to reassure the Scots that there would be no interference in its devolved powers from Westminster 'under normal circumstances'.

Threatening to attempt to veto Brexit following the democratic decision of the peoples of the UK steps well outside operating under normal circumstances. It gives the impression that Sturgeon and the SNP are wanting to set the policy of the UK.



I'm not so sure you are right WM. I think this whole part of the discussion is like a great many things at present-it's taking us into new waters, and there are no correct answers. I've just had a quick look around( I'm in the process of making dinner) and it's been suggested that the courts may have to decide if Westminster tried to repeal the Scottish Parliament.
I can't find any reference to the part about "under normal circumstances" but you may be correct there.

It gives the impression that Sturgeon and the SNP are wanting to set the policy of the UK.


I think the above may depend on what side of the fence you are looking at it from. I honestly don't see it like that-I just see it as her doing her job as the elected leader of Scotland.

Onto another possible solution being suggested;

I've seen a few mention a reverse Greenland as a solution-do you see that as a realistic possibility?
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Re: This is getting silly.

Postby Workingman » 26 Jun 2016, 15:03

Shaz, my reference was from a long piece by a professor of international law at the University of Edinburgh. I didn't bookmark it and my browsing history is wiped when Opera is closed. If I find it again I will link it.

Strange that you should mention Greenland. I had never thought of it, but he had. From what I remember it got very technical.

Greenland remains part of Denmark, but is out of the EU. It was so remote and culturally different from Denmark that the Danes awarded it self-governance. Greenland then held a referendum on the old EEC and opted out. It was Denmark that negotiated its terms for exit with the EEC. It hopes to be fully independent by 2021.

What a reverse Greenland is baffles me. I have no idea what it will or could be. If it is the opposite of the above then I cannot see it working, but it will be interesting to see how the idea develops.
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Re: This is getting silly.

Postby cromwell » 26 Jun 2016, 15:51

I should feel elated at the results but I'm just depressed. I'll snap out of it soon.
But it's just revealed the depths of anger and even hate in our society, and the utter cluelessness of our MP's.

For instance - where are they? What's the plan? Cameron, Osborne? No sign. Same for Johnson and Gove.

Meanwhile the "Liberal Democrats" cheerfully say they will campaign to take us back into the EU. Very liberal; very democratic. As for the Labour party, crikey. MP's who were parachuted into their constituencies from London and who it has been absolutely proved, do NOT represent the views of their constituents, turn on Corbyn saying it's all his fault.

Anyway, one slight laugh is to be had about the petition WM, and here it is.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... anipulated
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Re: This is getting silly.

Postby Workingman » 26 Jun 2016, 16:00

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Did you see my earlier post......... the petition was started by an English Democrat activist and Leaver because he was worried that Remain would win. :P :P :P
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Re: This is getting silly.

Postby cromwell » 26 Jun 2016, 16:09

Yes, it's all a bit mad really.

One thing that has really upset me is the casual dismissal of the "old, less well educated Leave voters" by some Remainers (not you though Frank). Until the 1960's it was actually bloody difficult to get into University, as opposed to today when it seems difficult to avoid it. Which means the casual assumption of intellectual superiority is inaccurate.
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Re: This is getting silly.

Postby TheOstrich » 26 Jun 2016, 16:28

I am concerned by the reported rise in racist incidents. If this is all true, it needs to be stamped on, and fast.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... -and-wales
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Re: This is getting silly.

Postby saundra » 26 Jun 2016, 17:08

Not One m p came to our neck of the woods to campaign
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