Westminster child abuse inquiry.

[cromwell]

But how do we know that the police are sitting on them WM? Maybe they are investigating.

It strikes me very strongly that the MP's alleging establishment child abuse are Labour MP's.

Where are Simon Danzuk's dossiers on grooming in Rochdale? Where is the Labour outrage about the Rotherham grooming, grooming that occurred by a community that have historically voted Labour, which happened under a Labour council and with a Labour Home Secretary just down the road?

There was none. The only time they got upset was when the abuse was revealed. Previous to that it had been suppression and denial all the way.

If Mr Mann has any spare time maybe he can ask Rotherham council where the four years worth of missing minutes from safeguarding meeting have gone to?

Sorry for banging on about it but I think some very, very dirty politics is going on here. The more labour can complain of historical alleged sex abuse during the time of Margaret Thatcher, committed allegedly mostly by Tories, the less newspaper space there will be for recent and current cases of child abuse going on in Labour seats, committed by mainly Labour voters and determinedly ignored for years by local Labour politicians - and there is no "alleged" about this abuse.

I just think it's politics of the lowest and dirtiest kind imaginable.

[Aggers]

I just think it's politics of the lowest and dirtiest kind imaginable.

I'm inclined to agree with you.
Ethics are disappearing from politics and from many other aspects of life.

[Workingman]

It would be one heck of a surprise to find that the (alleged) goings on by these people were in the public domain at the time and that the police refused to act.

It is more than likely these people would use their power and influence to keep stories hidden and to warn the police off. There would be too many careers at stake if only hints about what was going on got out in the open.

"Ah Inspector, a word in your shell-like. If you want to save your career you need to be careful with that of a colleague of mine. You do understand old boy? Toodle-pip!"

[KateLMead]

I am completely baffled by the whole business. I find it hard to believe that all
these alleged abuses have taken place in the past and apparently routinely covered up.

I can truthfully say that, looking back over the years, I cannot recall ever hearing about
any sex-abuse of children. If it was going on it must have been in places other than
the Midland market town where I spent most of my life.

Aggers if a child complained and I mean a child she or he was never believed in our day. Abuse was as prevalent
Seventy /eighty years ago as it is today. The police did nothing then "as they do nothing todays until their cover ups are exposed" exposed

[Aggers]

Aggers if a child complained and I mean a child she or he was never believed in our day. Abuse was as prevalent
Seventy /eighty years ago as it is today. The police did nothing then "as they do nothing today until their cover ups are exposed".

Perhaps you are right, Kate, but all I can say is that I never heard of any case when I was young.
As a child I was for years in a church choir, in the Boys Brigade, in a children s Concert Party, etc.,
and never once saw, heard of, or experienced any form of sexual abuse involving children.

[Suff]

I get your point Aggers. The Press would have us believe that it was totally endemic in the religious structure just waiting to be brought out. In fact it was limited to establishments where the clergy and others, had total control over the children. Like care homes and schools.

What worries me more is that open and extremely abusive grooming and rape was done to children living at home and going about their daily lives. It speaks volumes to me of two things. The contempt these Asian men felt for the system and also the complete lack of concern for these children by their parents. The signs in behavioural change must have been impossible to miss and the only way that parents did not pick it up would be if they simply didn't bother to look.

Instead of trying really hard to burn politicians who were stupid enough to satiate their darkest desires with underage boys, we should put a large amount of effort in finding the people who made those boys available to the politicians. Yet we hear nothing about that. Just huge hype about parliamentary enquiries...

Yes punishing the abusers is a real requirement. But the bigger issue is making sure those who facilitated the abuse are found, caught and discourage others from doing the same. I believe that a 100% in depth background check should be done on every person working with children in care. It's long past the time that we worried about the sensibilities of the people who manage children in care homes and it's long past time we worried about the funding for it. The urgent goal, in my mind, is to stop current abuse and prevent future abuse. The rest we can get to when the children are safe.

To my mind this speaks to a total lack of moral decency in the press, central government, local government and, to a degree, the police.

[KateLMead]

Aggers if a child complained and I mean a child she or he was never believed in our day. Abuse was as prevalent
Seventy /eighty years ago as it is today. The police did nothing then "as they do nothing today until their cover ups are exposed".

Perhaps you are right, Kate, but all I can say is that I never heard of any case when I was young.
As a child I was for years in a church choir, in the Boys Brigade, in a children s Concert Party, etc.,
and never once saw, heard of, or experienced any form of sexual abuse involving children.

Very very often the abuse was committed by a family member.

[KateLMead]

I get your point Aggers. The Press would have us believe that it was totally endemic in the religious structure just waiting to be brought out. In fact it was limited to establishments where the clergy and others, had total control over the children. Like care homes and schools.

What worries me more is that open and extremely abusive grooming and rape was done to children living at home and going about their daily lives. It speaks volumes to me of two things. The contempt these Asian men felt for the system and also the complete lack of concern for these children by their parents. The signs in behavioural change must have been impossible to miss and the only way that parents did not pick it up would be if they simply didn't bother to look.

Instead of trying really hard to burn politicians who were stupid enough to satiate their darkest desires with underage boys, we should put a large amount of effort in finding the people who made those boys available to the politicians. Yet we hear nothing about that. Just huge hype about parliamentary enquiries...

Yes punishing the abusers is a real requirement. But the bigger issue is making sure those who facilitated the abuse are found, caught and discourage others from doing the same. I believe that a 100% in depth background check should be done on every person working with children in care. It's long past the time that we worried about the sensibilities of the people who manage children in care homes and it's long past time we worried about the funding for it. The urgent goal, in my mind, is to stop current abuse and prevent future abuse. The rest we can get to when the children are safe.

To my mind this speaks to a total lack of moral decency in the press, central government, local government and, to a degree, the police.

I agree Suff. "however" should one not severely and I mean severely punish those in top positions who happily promoted Pie in the Labour Party ? It's a damned closed shop when caught out. We are living in a sicker society than ever, as for the foreigners who have abused these children, groomed them they are in the same bracket as those involved in abusing children in government and in high senior pisitions.. What about the claim that three children died? Another fact given as little publicity as possible.. We live in a corrupt sick society and country run by those of the same id'.

[TheOstrich]

Perhaps you are right, Kate, but all I can say is that I never heard of any case when I was young.
As a child I was for years in a church choir, in the Boys Brigade, in a children s Concert Party, etc.,
and never once saw, heard of, or experienced any form of sexual abuse involving children.

Unfortunately Aggers, I can. There was a PE teacher at the boys primary school I attended who had a perverse interest in getting the boys to chase one of their classmates and debag him. Different victim each week. In hindsight, I've always felt that master was on a certain path ....

Now you could argue, no harm done. In fact, I would probably argue that. Unfortunately society looks at it differently today. My own view is that society has gone too far in the other direction.

But my point is, I certainy think it was out there in the '50s, to both a greater and lesser extent.

[Kaz]

Child abuse has always been around, sadly Child prostitution was rife in Victorian times, and I mean rife. There was huge demand for under age girls, in particular, and considering that the age of consent was 12, they had to be pretty young to be considered under age.......................

Aggers it was just covered up before, and now it isn't. It is really that simple