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[cromwell]

For clarity (I can't speak for MedSec) - my reaction to Starmer's "Britain is now back on the world stage" remark was nothing at all to do with Brexit.
It was just that it sounded so unbelievably crass.
A bit of humility wouldn't have gone amiss.
TBH, I would be more than happy now if Britain would get off the world stage once and for all ......

Yes, we are going to pay a big price for a politician's vanity. How our politicians love to pose on the world stage.

Without wishing to re-fight the Brexit wars I would just observe that Starmer is the one who has has re-ignited those wars.

He has also had us signed up to the World health Organisations pandemic response policy (yesterday). So if some Chinese asset thousands of miles away decides we have to lock down, then we have to. Another erosion of sovereignty.

[Suff]

Britain never left the world stage. It is impossible because we have a permanent seat on the UN security council.

Now I know that people in the UK are totally clueless about this and just how much other nations would pay/steal/destroy, for one of those seats, but the reality is that is it a VERY visible position on the world stage. It was the EU which tried to reduce the UK visibility on the world stage and hide it behind the face of the EU but failed dramatically purely because of that position.

As for Brekshit. That was about 450 MP's from all parties that didn't want it and were determined to defy the people without defying the people. So they poisoned it.

Starmer is a moron and if he thinks this latest little performance is going to save his ass from a turquoise wave in 2029 he is living in a psychedelic dream world.

[Workingman]

Starmer is seeking to mitigate some of the disastrous effects of Brexit, of which there are quite a few. In doing so he is walking a tightrope between trade deals with the likes of the US and India and those with our biggest market - the EU. Years down the line it will all probably end up as something like a Swiss-style deal. Things will evolve because the UK economy cannot be pickled in the aspic of Brexit forever.

Our seat on the UN Security Council has sod all to do with trade.

Without wishing to re-fight the Brexit wars I would just observe that Starmer is the one who has has re-ignited those wars.

He has also had us signed up to the World health Organisations pandemic response policy (yesterday). So if some Chinese asset thousands of miles away decides we have to lock down, then we have to. Another erosion of sovereignty.

Wrong!

“Nothing in the WHO Pandemic Agreement shall be interpreted as providing the WHO Secretariat, including the WHO Director-General, any authority to direct, order, alter or otherwise prescribe the national and/or domestic laws, as appropriate, or policies of any Party, or to mandate or otherwise impose any requirements that Parties take specific actions, such as ban or accept travellers, impose vaccination mandates or therapeutic or diagnostic measures or implement lockdowns.”

Also, re the WHO. Just to note that in March 2021, world leaders, including Boris Johnson, announced an initiative for a new treaty on pandemic preparedness and response. The process was debated in parliament from 2021 to 2024 and was supported by, but not ratified by, government. It is not a Starmer initiative.

[victor]

If as he said that the British people have had enough of Brexit ,then put it to a national vote,or is he afraid that it wouldn't be the way he wants it to be and that's why he is doing a backdoor deal.
Wouldn't buy a spent match from him.

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[Workingman]

If as he said that the British people have had enough of Brexit... that's why he is doing a backdoor deal.

He said nothing and is doing of the sorts... He said that we had become tired of the poision that the political debates about Brexit have become and that we, both sides, have to move on. He is absolutely right about that.

The UK cannot ever break away from it neighbours and biggest trading partner, and the sooner you Leavers get that into your heads the better it will be for all of us.

[Suff]

Our seat on the UN Security Council has sod all to do with trade.

You were talking about the position of the UK in the world. It has everything to do with that. Trade? In the EU? We are nobody and nothing, we have a small say when in and cannot do our own trade deals.

People talk as if the #6 economy in the world suddenly vanished. Not only did it not vanish but it closed up rapidly on Japan.

Now tell me the UK economy overtaking Japan would be another Brexshit consequence.....

[victor]

So he said it again today that British people are fed up with Brexit.
Has he actually asked the British people what they think?

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[Workingman]

Suff you are conflating two different things.

The thread is about our position in the world regarding trade.

You tried to muddy the waters and score brownie points by bringing up the UN SC. I simply pointed out that it has nothing to do with trade.

What we have to do is deal with what is in front of us and that is the EU, its members, its institutions and their rules. That is what Starmer is trying to do whilst, at the same time, doing deals with other countries in ways that are not impinged upon by their existing EU deals.

He is doing a sound job judging by the way he has got under the skins of you Berkshiters

And it could get worse for you lot. The Rejoin campaign is ramping up and will be in you faces for the next 40 years or so or until the inevitable happens.

So he said it again today that British people are fed up with Brexit.
Has he actually asked the British people what they think?

Starmer's actual words or the opinion of some right-wing journalist? I would like a link, but I am not expecting one.

[victor]

Really don't know howtodo a link.
As he was saying this to MP's I the House today I assume it's correct.
By House I assume it means H of C

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[Suff]

Suff you are conflating two different things.

The thread is about our position in the world regarding trade.

You tried to muddy the waters and score brownie points by bringing up the UN SC. I simply pointed out that it has nothing to do with trade.

What we have to do is deal with what is in front of us and that is the EU, its members, its institutions and their rules. That is what Starmer is trying to do whilst, at the same time, doing deals with other countries in ways that are not impinged upon by their existing EU deals.

That may be what they think is in front of us but reality is something entirely different. Since we left our exports to the EU, which were reducing every decade even as a member, have reduced slightly. Our imports have reduced a lot. Yet our imports from the US have grown a lot. So the trade relationship has changed and it was the EU that did it to themselves with their poe faced tantrums about what we could and could not ask for in terms of trade.

Now we have an opportunity staring us in the face. Our exports to the EU are never going to grow dramatically. But our exports to the US, with a good trade deal, especially if other countries do not get a good deal, could grow dramatically.

Starmer is determinedly throwing that away just as he is throwing away our fishing rights.

Nobody will ever invest in the UK if they cannot trust the government to follow through with anything and will derail anything the EU does not like.

That is where we are and it is because we are very prominent in trade, the #6 economy in the world, that the EU is so annoyed about it.

So Starmer needs to grow a spine, tell the EU where to get off, get a decent deal with the US and move on to better things.

I won't wait. What I will wait for is for Reform to eviscerate him at the next election and he will deserve every single seat loss they take from him.