Hotel Rwanda?

[Workingman]

It looks as though the UK government is preparing for a whole raft of legal challenges; international and home grown. Johnson and Patel have admitted so.

Those legal challenges are likely to cost the UK a lot more than this Rwandan trial. They are likely to start and then keep on coming, one after another.

[Kaz]

Dear lord!! It would almost certainly be cheaper to provide safe passage for refugees, then process them here That probably would not fit the agenda, however

[cruiser2]

Who decides where an immigrant comes from when most of thewm do not have any documenation such as a passport.
I recently applied for an official document from my local council. Needed a passport, birth certificate, proof of residence,
National Insurance number, recent photo. And I have lived in this country since birth and at the same adrress since 1964.

[Workingman]

Who decides where an immigrant comes from when most of them do not have any documentation such as a passport.

Anybody in that situation is immediately suspect IMO. They suddenly lose their papers on the last leg - how convenient.

"Where are your papers?"
"I lost them."
"OK, where are you from?"
"Bogoland."
"Fine, I have a ticket back to Bogoland, or you can have one for anywhere else who will take you. Your choice."

I have three members of my extended family working for the Home Office and the above conversation would have them in apoplexy, except one. He has to go out to try to apprehend wobbly asylum seekers by visiting dodgy businesses. He catches them then they get let off - so do the businesses.

The underlying problem has nothing to do with Hotel Rwanda. It is systemic failure.

[Suff]

Including attempts to ensure anyone who makes it to UK soil is allowed to stay by bombarding the government with constant court cases.

Which is disgusting in itself.

The government needs to pass a law that any court cases in this mode will be heard with the "illegal" already placed in Rwanda.

Then the government can change the law every time they lose a case. At which point the courts will stop finding for the bleeding hearts because the catastrophic impact of these law changes would do far more harm to the UK than is done to illegal migrants who are using UK fairness against us.

Eventually something like this will happen because eventually the people will be given a chance to vote for it and, like brexit, they will.

So these groups who think they can override the government because they "want to" need to think again.

[Workingman]

Hmm... We can put them in Processing Centres and if they fail we can deport them; other countries do it. National and International laws allow that. No need for Rwanda.

The UK's problem is that we have not worked with (Inter) national laws and also tried to be "diverse or inclusive" in our approach. Call it "woke" which is strange for such a hard right wing government.

We are our own worst enemies, well the government is.

[Suff]

The UK's problem is that we have not worked with (Inter) national laws and also tried to be "diverse or inclusive" in our approach. Call it "woke" which is strange for such a hard right wing government.

We are our own worst enemies, well the government is.

We are our own worst enemies but mostly because many of our laws on fairness exceed the rest of the international community. So when anyone makes it to our shores,, those laws of fairness kick in.

As for this government being far right? More 21st century thinking. It is soft centre right but is being portrayed as far right by the press for their own ends.

Orbans government is verging on hard right. A fully hard right government would not have had furlough or lock downs, it would have said "get on with it and get it over with".

[Osc]

Reading all these comments is making me I think this is a disgusting idea. I saw this article.

https://twitter.com/mr__mo/status/15146 ... QWWwA8PJAw

[Workingman]

I sympathise, Osc, as I do not like the Rwanda idea. Apparently the UK complained to the UN only last year about Rwanda's attitude to civil liberties and human rights and now we get this barbaric move.

On the other hand we do have a problem with economic migrants, bogus refugee / asylum seekers and other illegal immigrants. We do need to do something.

[Osc]

On the other hand we do have a problem with economic migrants, bogus refugee / asylum seekers and other illegal immigrants. We do need to do something.

But you have had that problem for very many years with successive governments failing to tackle it in any way. This cruelty is not the way.