TV and Responsibility

[Kaz]

Rapists cause rape, not short skirts!

[victor]

exactly Kaz

[Kate1933]

I am afraid I disagree.. not only the im- proper dress, we see the young women (and not so young )leaving clubs and bars, collapsing to the ground drunk with many high on drugs. It is stated in the press that gangs of males are known to surround these females molesting them..and others as they are walking home alone..
I am as stated anything but prudish but i am a realist, and on seeing the behaviour of so many young teenagers drunk, disorderly out of their heads as stated on drugs and booze present easy targets for those would be rapists and abusers.

[Suff]

I don't care if they're stark naked and comatose. The immediate action of any man of any integrity is to cover them up and get them to safety.

Anyone who attacks (and I do mean attacks, not chats up or engages with), a girl in that state, in my mind, deserves everything the law is not allowed to throw at them.

If, on the other hand, she's just out of her skull and can be talked into bed, then it's a learning experience. Coyote Ugly....

Guys come out of clubs out of their skulls too and the rapists are not only looking for girls.

My concern is more for the abuses of this change in approach, not for the need for it. I still blame the authorities prior actions making the police second guess themselves. It's a classic case of denying reasonable laws the chance to work so they can apply more restricting laws later which impact our lives more and give them more power.

[Workingman]

I have some sympathy for what Kate is saying.

There are 'rapists' and there are 'rapists' and the two types are miles apart. Don't get me wrong, both sets are rapists and their crimes are still rapes: equally. However, on the one side we have the inadequates who plot and plan their actions. They go out with the intent of finding a target to turn into a victim; sometimes the target is already known, all they require is the chance. They are clear-headed and in full knowledge about what they want to do, or have done.

The others I do not really know how to describe. They most often set out for an innocent night of 'fun', which these days seems to mean getting stoned or drunk or both. Once they are in that state the conditioning they have been subject to in society, where anything goes, comes to the fore. When they commit rape, and it is still rape, it is more than likely with a victim who is in a similar state as they are.

I do not know what the answer is, is there one?

[Suff]

I do not know what the answer is, is there one?

Not sure. I know this action is a first step. But I'd rather that they actually enforced drunk/drug and disorderly with heavy penalties first.

[Kaz]

I don't care if they're stark naked and comatose. The immediate action of any man of any integrity is to cover them up and get them to safety.
Anyone who attacks (and I do mean attacks, not chats up or engages with), a girl in that state, in my mind, deserves everything the law is not allowed to throw at them.
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Absolutely right x

[Workingman]

I don't care if they're stark naked and comatose. The immediate action of any man of any integrity is to cover them up and get them to safety.

And therein lies the problem.

Those of us over a certain age had clearly defined moral boundaries when we were growing up. If we stepped over the line we knew that we would be punished.

However, for decades now, there has been the drip-drip of their erosion in films and on TV, in magazines and newspapers, everywhere. Those old boundaries have been blurred to the point where some no longer exist and for many others to be replaced with a morals vacuum - for both men and women.

There are still plenty of men and women of integrity, but they are not the ones stumbling out of clubs and bars at 5 am on a Saturday morning. The moral compass of those people is set differently from mine (ours) and they see the world differently.