Cunning Plan

[Workingman]

The city moves to Edinburgh and Glasgow.

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We have just been out for lunch with some friends and we discussed exactly that. We talked about the merits of buying a flat in the New Town to let out to some young banker……..

Molly, keep your money in the bank, just yet. My grandfather was a Scot from Ayrshire, my grandmother was Irish from just north of Dublin and I am a Yorkshireman. We are all known for being careful with money, or 'tight' as some might say.

There are so many permutations of what will happen, and the Stock Exchange and the banks moving to Glasgingburgh is way down the list, for so many reasons. Scotland is in a bit of Limbo following the ref.

The UK parliament is not going to afford Scotland another referendum, despite what Alex and Nicola want, and that decision is up to the UK parliament. It is certainly not going to allow a UK wide Scottish independence referendum - it's not daft.

As things stand the UK, including Scotland, is still in the EU until exit negotiations are completed, and that could take ... years? Invoking A50 does not put us, the UK with Scotland, out. Should Scotland somehow secede from the UK before the UK leaves the EU the UK, an emasculated member of the EU, could still apply its veto to Scotland joining the EU. It is the UK which signed all the treaties, not the individual countries within it, and it is the UK which will still hold those rights should Scotland secede.

If Scotland is still in the UK when Brexit is finalised and then leaves the UK things change. In that case an independent Scotland would have to apply to join the EU. It would have to take the Euro as its currency. As a newly formed independent state it would also have to negotiate its membership of such things as the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank.

Having said that, Scotland could go for UDI, Zimbabwe style. We have all seen what happened there, so let's not even consider it.

The financial services and banks are not going to flee to Glasgingburgh when Frankfurt already exits and works. To think otherwise is fantasy.

[Suff]

The financial services and banks are not going to flee to Glasgingburgh when Frankfurt already exits and works. To think otherwise is fantasy.

Not quite, the rules, regulations, language and simple attitude have kept the international companies in London. If London looses it's EU license, those companies will not simply move to Paris or Frankfurt...

[Workingman]

With the merger of the DAX and FTSE and the rules and licences already being in place a move to Frankfurt would be almost seamless. The language is numbers and the International business language is already English, so no problem there.

The Glasginburgh, or Edingow, thing is a nice dream, nothing more.

[TheOstrich]

There is a very interesting political line emerging this afternoon that Scotland will necessarily have to give consent to any Brexit by virtue of its own legislation. And that Sturgeon would not be above withholding that consent, as it would be in Scotland's best interests etc etc.

Murkier and murkier .... Guardian live @ 12:10.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/liv ... leadership

[Workingman]

I just posted about that on the other thread.

Under current legislation the Scotland Act of 1998 can be repealed by the UK government - at any time.

Nicola and her numpties trying to veto Brexit would be just the excuse needed. The referendum was UK wide. It was open and democratic. The people spoke, and they said "Brexit".

[Suff]

Sturgeon needs to be very careful what she is doing. All the laws empowering her position in Scotland were created in the UK parliament and are by the grace of the UK parliament and are subject to withdrawal if they are abused. As WM says.

If she wants to leave, then get the referendum and leave. But the people of the UK have spoken and the UK is leaving the EU. If she tries to use powers, granted by the UK parliament to 10% of the UK population, in order to stop it, she'll find out, very rapidly, just how fast those powers can vanish.

As they did in Stormont when things went out of control.

If Sturgeon wants a referendum, then go campaign for one. A new Tory PM might just grant her one because it is massively to the benefit of the Tories not to have Scotland, the SNP or Scottish Labour MP's in Westminster. Cameron was against it but a LOT of Tories were not.

Whilst I want Scotland to win an Independence referendum, I want it to be clean, honest and above board. What is going on right now is dirty and cloak and dagger.

[TheOstrich]

From the comments section of the Guardian's live coverage:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/liv ... t#comments

Tailspin 10m ago (roughly 12:05)

With credit to the unknown author on Facebook:

Right. Fuck this. We're ALL up shit creek and we need a paddle. Now, not in three months.

Fellow Remain voters: Enough already. Yes, we're all pissed off but navel gazing ain't gonna help. Not all 17 million Leave voters can possibly be racist northern pensioners without an O level to their name. Maybe they have a point about this quitting the EU thing? Maybe not. Whatever, we are where we are and no amount a whinging is gonna change that. Allegedly we're the intelligent ones, so get your thinking caps on.

Leave voters. Well done. Good game. We hear you. Now you need to get stuck in to the aftermath and not just piss off back to Wetherspoons. (Just banter, twats!). And the first person to say they "want their country back" gets deported to fucking Gibraltar. OK?

Politicians.

David. Fuck off. Shut the door behind you. Now.

George. You may be a twat but you're our twat. Plus you know the passwords for our Junior Savers account. Get your calculator. Drop the face-like-a-slapped-ass routine. You're on.

Boris. Sorry mate. That photo of you abseiling by your scrotum over the London Olympics while waving a Union Jack can't ever be un-taken. Plus, you'll never be able to appear on Question Time again without some sturdy Glaswegian nurse asking where the fuck her 350 million quid is. Not only will she have a very good point, she'll be wearing a T shirt that shows you gurning in front of that fucking bus! No captains hat for you I'm afraid.

Theresa. You're in charge love. Get the biggest shoulder pads you've got. We need Ming The Merciless in drag and you'll scare the shit out of 'em.

Nicola. Yep. Fair cop. You probably could get us on a technicality, as could London. But we fucking love shortbread. And oil. And to be honest you're probably the best politician we've got, so we need you on side. Sort your lot out and we promise never to mention that Jimmy Krankie thing again (although it is pretty uncanny) and we'll make you a Dame once we're sorted. Bring Ruth Davidson. She kicks ass.

Opposition party. We'll need one. Someone take Jeremy and John back to the British Legion Club where you found them. Take Nigel as well. Give back their sandals, buy them a pint, then go to Heathrow and collect David Milliband. Fuck it. Lets gets Ed Balls as well. He keeps George on his toes. I think he works on the lottery kiosk at Morrisons now?

Oh. And Mark Carney. Give him a knighthood and tell him to keep that shit coming. We definitely need more of that good shit!

Everyone set? Right. Hold the Easyjet. We're going to Brussels and this ain't no hen party.


It did give me a wry smile. Pretty perceptive!

[Suff]

Pretty biased too though. But very pragmatic. One of the more sensible remainers.

[shazsha]

Sturgeon needs to be very careful what she is doing. All the laws empowering her position in Scotland were created in the UK parliament and are by the grace of the UK parliament and are subject to withdrawal if they are abused. As WM says.

If she wants to leave, then get the referendum and leave. But the people of the UK have spoken and the UK is leaving the EU. If she tries to use powers, granted by the UK parliament to 10% of the UK population, in order to stop it, she'll find out, very rapidly, just how fast those powers can vanish.

As they did in Stormont when things went out of control.

WM was saying this on the other thread and, now I've read further, it definitely looks right that Westminster could disband the SP. After the referendum I didn't look at any politics until last week and was unaware of this.

If Sturgeon wants a referendum, then go campaign for one. A new Tory PM might just grant her one because it is massively to the benefit of the Tories not to have Scotland, the SNP or Scottish Labour MP's in Westminster. Cameron was against it but a LOT of Tories were not.

I think this is her way of campaigning for a new referendum. She more than likely knows that it won't happen this way, but will talk as if it will, to get Scottish backs up when it's a no go, making us want a referendum more and to turn the "No" voters in her favour. Personally I think she is playing a relatively clever game.

Whilst I want Scotland to win an Independence referendum, I want it to be clean, honest and above board. What is going on right now is dirty and cloak and dagger.

As I said above I think she knows the game she is playing. Regarding another referendum being the only way for Scotland to get Independence, it's the only fair way, imo. The majority did vote No at the last referendum and we can't just impose Independence on them. A new referendum is the only fair way to get Independence but, if it failed this time around, there should be a clause that puts the whole independence question to bed for a minimum period.

[Suff]

As I said above I think she knows the game she is playing. Regarding another referendum being the only way for Scotland to get Independence, it's the only fair way, imo. The majority did vote No at the last referendum and we can't just impose Independence on them. A new referendum is the only fair way to get Independence but, if it failed this time around, there should be a clause that puts the whole independence question to bed for a minimum period.

I know she's trying to apply pressure. But I don't really like the way she's doing it. If she were to do it from a perspective of Scotland voting internally for another referendum with Scottish MP's voting to have another referendum and then taking that to Westminster to get it validated; that is one thing. Threatening to try and keep the UK in the EU because they wont validate the decision based on devolved powers that can be withdrawn in Westminster is not the way to go IMO.

She needs to hold the high ground the whole way and not descend into the mess that Westminster is currently in.

Well that's the way I see it and I think the majority of Scots would see it that way too. One of the key foundations of the NO campaign in the indyref was that a NO vote was a vote to stay in the EU and a Yes vote, validated by the commission, was a vote to leave the EU.

Now that has been proven false, the Scots need to make another decision and, put that way, I doubt any politician would deny them the right. Not so soon after the circus of the lies and broken promises of Indyref.