Bulgarian and Romanian "influx".

[Workingman]

According to Communities Secretary 'Two pies' Pickles, he does not know how many of them will be rushing here come December, and he says they could add to the existing housing problems in the UK.

Well there is a way to avert both. The government should take out full page adverts in those countries letting them know that:

1. There are no jobs, none. Any that you find will be unsafe, low waged and probably illegal. We already have millions of unemployed and they come first.

2. If you do not bring enough money to buy or rent a place, hard luck, you are at the back of a very long queue. Bring a tent, a lot of warm clothes and a massive umbrella; it's cold and wet in the UK, even in summer.

3. Don't expect a warm welcome from the locals, you will not get one.

[cromwell]

Oh God, don't. It doesn't bear thinking about.

[Rodo]

I keep wondering why there is such a rush to put planning requests in for hundreds and hundreds of houses in this area. There are about five sites being under consideration - lovely rural sites and plans are in for six or seven hundred houses on several of them. My main objection, apart from wondering where all the people are coming from to buy or rent these houses, is that the schools here are already full to bursting and so are the doctors' surgeries. There is only one NH dentist and they reckoned a thousand people were queueing to register on their first day of opening. Most of us have to cough up to go privately.

If plans go through for all of this (and the indications are that they will) how on earth are they going to be provided for in the areas of health and education? Also bus routes are scarce or non-existent in some of these areas and rail links are just laughable. On our main railway station, disabled people have to travel to the next station and catch a train to come back again because they can't get off the platform as there are just very steep steps. No wonder we have such a feeling of foreboding, both as to who and where from, as well as how facilities are going to match up with all of this.

[cromwell]

I keep wondering why there is such a rush to put planning requests in for hundreds and hundreds of houses in this area. There are about five sites being under consideration - lovely rural sites and plans are in for six or seven hundred houses on several of them.

Rodo, these are exactly my suspicions.
And I would like to know how many of these houses will be bought and how many in the "social housing" sector, and of these how many more are going to be for recent arrivals.
Concreting over what is left of our countryside for the benefit of other people - I hate it with a passion.

[TheOstrich]

Forces are currently being mobilised locally against 10,000 new houses proposed to be built by 2031 on green belt land in an arc within a few miles of here, siting all the arguments Rodo has mentioned above. This is part of 80,000 new houses said to be required in Birmingham by that date, the remainer going on brownfield sites.

All this equates to around 300,000 prospective new inhabitants for the city, an increase of around 25% in 18 years.

[KateLMead]

Bulgarians and Romanians have already proved to be a problem here, trafficking youngsters, forcing them into prositution, purchasing children and babies to beg on our streets, we have seen the millionaire lifestyles coming to UK has afforded the crooks in their own countries through claiming bogus benefits begging and pick-pocketing.., The garden sheds they are letting off to fellow countrymen..
However they are not all bad, and many do the jobs, living in poor conditions that no indigenous would stoop to do, and being abused by their fellow countrymen, those gangmasters.. Not only will the floodgates be opened for Bulgarians and Romanians, we have the thousands of arranged marriages that generally includes other members of the bride or bridegrooms family who come to visit and decide to stay..Africans you name it Britain is open house. Legal or illegal, get in to UK considered the land of milk and honey.

[Aggers]

It makes me wild to read accounts like this.

What the hell is the matter with our politicians ?

How I wish we could throw all the b*ggers out (the politcians) and get someone with
some sense to run the country. We have several members of Vocal Voices who could
do a better job.

[JoM]

Forces are currently being mobilised locally against 10,000 new houses proposed to be built by 2031 on green belt land in an arc within a few miles of here, siting all the arguments Rodo has mentioned above. This is part of 80,000 new houses said to be required in Birmingham by that date, the remainer going on brownfield sites.

All this equates to around 300,000 prospective new inhabitants for the city, an increase of around 25% in 18 years.

Planning permission has been granted in the town where my parents live for a new development of 750 houses on farmland which is bordered on two sides by Cannock Chase. Nothing has been said about how many will be private and how many housing association, just that there will be a mix of sizes and tenures. There is another area of land near to it, and larger than that particular site, which the council are also proposing as a residential development. That equates to a huge number of new homes, just taking those two sites into account, in a small town with a population of under 17,000.

[Suff]

For those who are not up to speed with the rest of the EU, this has become a massive problem in the EU. Schengen has allowed them full and easy access, France has been throwing them out, Italy threw out ALL of their known Romanians. We had Romanians living in the garden shed next door before we rented then bought it. They were running a begging ring first and then a prostitution ring after. Only when it became too impossible to ignore and the local French population complained (they ignored us), did the Gendarmes do something about it.

This is the reality of an EU with high benefits and wealth in some states and squalor, poverty and ganglands in others and free travel and freedom of work. This is where the EU and the US diverges. In the US you can starve just as well in deepest Iowa as you can in New York. In fact more easily in New York. They understand their country and what virtually unlimited benefits would do to it.

Hang on to your hats, because they will be coming over and they won't leave. Unlike the French and Italians, we have a system to "uphold" EU laws no matter what the cost....

Enjoy.

Anon.

[Workingman]

France has been throwing them out, Italy threw out ALL of their known Romanians.

That is what I was hoping to forestall with my OP.

It is one thing coming here to work, and an entirely different thing coming here to look for work. We simply do not have the work, it is why we have 2.5 million unemployed - and rising. We need to make that absolutely clear to Bulgaria and Romania before the doors open in December. We need to make it clear that we will not support those looking for work that does not exist, that we will not provide housing, that we will not provide translation for free and that we will not welcome them with open arms.