Did anyone really believe

[Suff]

That the Lisbon Treaty was just a tidying up treaty????

If you read thisarticle, you will see that the EU is now slowly taking control of Birth, Death and Marriage certificates.

Now, let me think. Birth, Deaths and Marriage registers are Country registers. If the EU is NOT a country, then it would be impossible for them to hold these registers. Because only countries can have these registers because people who are registered in this way are Citizens of the country they register with.

Now I'm with Eric Pickles. if you don't have an EU registration form, within a decade, you will HAVE to have one if you want to present the form to any other country than the one you were born in. Because that will be the only place local state forms will be acceptable.

What is most interesting is that we don't hear this from the UKIP. We hear it from the Conservative Government minister responsible for this area. That tells me one thing in particular. The Tories are really running scared of the UKIP.

Of course if you don't mind being an EU citizen, then this is not an issue. What annoys me generally is the underhand and lying way that these things are introduced. Created in a way to keep people below the protest threshold on each and every item. Until the deed is done and the United Kingdom no longer exists. Fortunately the UKIP is doing it's job even unelected. The government has to bring this to the notice of the people or have it revealed by the UKIP to their detriment.

I wonder how Cameron is going to "negotiate" this one away in terms of loss of UK sovereignty????

[TheOstrich]

A development that is hardly a surprise, Suff, given the long-term ambitions for total EU political and social integration.

I guess it started with the UK passport displaying "European Union".

[Suff]

Actually it started with the Maastricht treaty which created the EU as a single political entity.

It ended with the Lisbon Treaty which made the EU a country....

I just want people to tell the truth. Then we can decide, based upon the truth, if that is what we want or not.

[pederito1]

The United States of Germany? in my cups perhaps and maybe in that state too have fallen to wondering if the policies of Herr H could have had anything to do in the post war period with Germany`s success.

[cromwell]

Of course if you don't mind being an EU citizen, then this is not an issue. What annoys me generally is the underhand and lying way that these things are introduced.

It has always been like this with the EU Suff, hasn't it? Right from the days of Ted "I'm not giving away any sovereignty, honest" Heath, right through Major, Blair and Brown.
The problem is that we are no longer a representative democracy. We are governed by a completely seperate political elite. They do what they want to do, and the fake "democracy" show rolls on. All our main parties want to belong to the EU; all are opposed to the death penalty; all are in favour of mass immigration; all are in favour of concreting more of the countryside; all worship at the altar of wind farms.
People who don't believe in much of that are effectively disenfranchised.
The only time the political elite get worried or upset is when outsiders like UKIP come along. All the main parties are quite happy with having just three parties; parties with different views are definitely not wanted.
Of course pursuing the policies that they do has had an effect on the Lab / Tory / LibDem parties. Namely, no-one seems to want to belong to them any more. Labour numbers are below 200,000, Tories ditto.
Which brings an idea into my head about a thread..
Cromwell, poet lariat - money for old rope..

(Thank you Eric Morecambe!)

[Suff]

Simply Cromwell, we get what we are willing to put up with.

We have the ability to vote in enough "dissidents" to break up the nice cosy little cliques and introduce new thinking.

Until we stop voting for the "tried and untrusted", we're going to get the same ole same ole.