72.5 million.

[Workingman]

That is the prediction by the ONS for the UK's population by 2030.

It's madness, and these are not boat people, they are the ones we invite in. They come in as "skilled" workers, but many end up working in care homes (no NVQ needed) or hospitality (NVQ level 1). They are about as skilled as next door's pet gerbil. Yes, there are a few scientists, engineers and technicians, but most are what we used to call "semi-skilled".

One day they will also need care so we will bring in more people to look after them. It's a Ponzi scheme but the politicians are too thick to see it.

When I was born, 1953, the population was a tad over 50 million.

[medsec222]

I couldn't agree more Frank. The immigration numbers are frightening and I fear for my grandchildren and their children. Their standard of living can only go down. Will they ever be able to buy their own house or even rent a house. I read recently that many young adults even around the age of 30 plus were still living with their parents as they could not afford to rent or buy. There is just not the infrastructure to sustain the numbers of immigrants coming into the country. They come to do low paid jobs which may have to be topped up by the taxpayer and their dependents came too, also sustained by the taxpayer. Most working people in this country can read the room but unfortunately those who purport to govern us either can't or don't wish to. As regards the illegal immigrants coming by boat or in the back of the lorry, there are many working people in this country on low incomes who are just about surviving yet are paying more in council tax, utilities, food and clothing etc,who must be asking themselves why they are getting poorer, when illegal immigrants are met on the shoreline, put up in hotels or even luxury appartments apparently, have free access to the National Health Service, GPs, and dentists, are given new clothes, telephones, free bus travel, bikes, and even in one council area, free driving lessons, it is no wonder they risk life and limb to get here. The fact that there seems no will to right the situation is very depressing.

[Workingman]

Yes, Meds, the illegals do get all the things you mention, but let us not forget that the 600,000 or so invitees also get access to housing, GPs, the NHS, dentists, education, in-work benefits etc. etc. without actually paying in to any extent.

They outnumber the illegals by 20:1 and cost us quite a bit by keeping Brits out of work. If we could get our own lazy ones in work by cutting their benefits we would not need to import unskilled labour from overseas. A win-win.

[medsec222]

You are totally right Frank. What is happening in our country now is unsustainable. There are people in this country who are perfectly able to work and should be doing so. For too long Goverments have sat back and brought in labour from abroad rather than training up our own workers and paying them a decent wage. It is a lazy and sloppy way of running a country. Big business is on board with this as it is a source of cheap labour. But as you quite rightly say, it is a ponzi scheme which will eventually collapse.

[cruiser2]

There is no mention in the news where the illegal immigrants are being housed.

The only reent news is that theywill be seached and their mobile phones and other IT equipment taken off them.

This should have been done at the beginning when the first boats came.

[medsec222]

Information apparently published in the Telegraph. I have not read the article myself.

1. The Labour Party are to overturn legislation by the Tories that immigrants coming to this country illegally can never become citizens of the UK.

2. Also legislation by the Tories - any immigrant who refuses to or cannot produce their documents and who claim to be a child should therefore to be treated as 18 years old - this is the second
piece of legislation the Labour Party are seeking to overturn.

Welcome to Great Britain!

[Workingman]

The report might be true, but those parts of the 2023 Bill, introduced by the Tories, have never been enacted. It's a bit pointless having laws that are not enforced or cannot be made to work as intended, so why not look again?

Laws that are working can always be tweaked and amended, but those that are not can only be repealed.

Look at the Safety of Rwanda Act 2024. That "super safe" country is now essentially at war with its neighbour the DR Congo and facing insurgents from its other neighbour, Burundi. It is probably as well that that act is repealed.

At least the new Bill directly targets the traffickers and smugglers and that is long overdue.

[medsec222]

Two things which concern me Frank - why should illegal immingrants be granted citizenship in the UK. If the law was not enacted, why wasn't it enacted, and what good will repealing it do - leave it alone in the hope that a stronger government will enact it.

Second - we don't insist on medical examinations for 'children' who fail to produce their papers. As I understand it in other UK countries such as France a medical is required. So what do we do with the 'children' who turn up on our shores without papers. Do you put them in school alongside other children - they may even have beards but lets not be awkward about a little thing like that.

[Workingman]

Meds, it was said at the time that the Illegal Migration Act 2023 was too complicated for its intended purpose of stopping the boats. It was a sledgehammer to crack a nut and the many amendments ran from March to July. It was unworkable and it was argued that there were many "bills" within the one Bill allowing appeal after appeal to take place.

Labour's approach is to target the source and if successful that paves the way for a simple two line bill bringing back the parts you mentioned in an earlier post.

When it comes to medicals there are 'children' and there are children. It is those who are just above or below the age of 18 who are the problem not the 12, 13 or 14 yr-olds. Their numbers might be small in the overall scheme of things but, yes, I would have them medically examined.

Two members of my extended family work for the Home Office and their jobs entail raiding places suspected of employing illegals - sweat shops, kitchens preparing foods for your local takeaway to cook etc. - ever wondered why they all taste the same? They raid the same places time and again but there's always a new "owner" ready for a slapped wrist, then off they go again. Labour's law aims to stop all that.