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Probably not enough to get Labour in with a majority at a general election, but maybe enough to get a hung parliament - a good thing. There is definitely a swing to Labour, LibDems, Greens and others (on the Left), and that has also pushed the numbers from Conservative councils to No Overall Control - down 12. That should give the other parties a chance to bring in some form of proportional representation in the next parliament, which many of us want, and a return to democracy.

With four councils to declare it looks like the Cons have lost nearly 50% of councillors and over 60% of councils.

It also look likely that the Red Wall is being rebuilt.

It is not good that the Tories had to make themselves virtually unelectable before Labour could even get to a hung parliament. It means the damage to trust that Blair and Brown created was far deeper than most understood.

Please do explain, oh wise one.

Explain Blair and Brown v Thatcher, Major, Cameron, May, Bojo, Truss, Sunhat. Those truth tellers. Please!

The floor is yours. Not that they are relevant. They are in the past'

In the present your Conservatives have lost 1,000 + councillors and 50 councils. Explain that!

News: We are not all as gullible as some of you Tory supporters think we are. See the results.

The biggest problem for the Tories is getting their vote out.

Because the Conservative party isn't really very conservative atm. The have created the highest levels of tax, expanded the political classes and created the highest ever levels of immigration' the last of which really upsets their natural supporters.

Many conservative members and voters were upset by the parliamentary party knifing Boris Johnson and then Liz Truss - who was chosen by the party members and then got rid of by Conservative MP's - just to install Rishi Sunak.

Conservative MP's are the authors of their own misfortune.
All Starmer has to be is "not Rishi Sunak" and he should win.

Workingman wrote:Please do explain, oh wise one

Really?

Apart from May and Major, the rest of them have not betrayed the grassroots Tories. Regardless as to whether other voters liked them or not.

However, the MP's have betrayed the grassroots Tories over and over again in the last 5 years.

As I am about to tell the party chairman in response to his begging letter, if the party will not get rid of these MP's then the electorate will.

Sunak has done nothing to control them, in fact he has pandered to them.

FIN/The End.

They are unelectable.

Yet, we are still looking at a hung parliament. That means Labour voters still do not trust Labour and feel betrayed by Blair and Brown.

It is not difficult.

Suff wrote:Yet, we are still looking at a hung parliament. That means Labour voters still do not trust Labour and feel betrayed by Blair and Brown.

Not really, what it shows is that many of those deserting the Tories are heading for the LibDems.

Using vote share in partial council elections to predict a GE is only a guesstimate. That's what the experts are doing.

However, what we do know is that the vote under FPTP is in the favour of the Tories; it will be even more in their favour with new boundary changes.. In the last GE they got 43.6% of the vote and 365 seats = 0.12% per seat. Labour got 40% of the vote but only 202 seats = 0.19% per seat. The LibDems got 11.7% of the vote but only got 11 seats = 1.07% per seat. It is one of the reasons PR is needed.

It’s definitely disillusioned middle-of-the-road grass roots Tories going to the LibDems, not Labour so much. Frank we do definitely need PR, it’s much more representative and therefore more democratic.

We have PR here, and although it does mean a lot of coalition governments, I think it is a better system.