And so we move to security.

[Workingman]

Following Manchester it has become the new political hot-potato.

Mrs May is offering a new Commission for Countering Extremism whilst Mr Corbyn is offering 10,000 more police officers, 500 border guards and 1,000 MI 5/6 officers. A Commission with "proper teeth and a clear remit" to "stamp out" extremism means what? And while 11,500 extra officers sounds like a lot it thins down to next to nothing when spread out over 24/7/365 to make 65 million of us secure.

However, if we took politics out of it and were to ask the public which they would prefer I will bet precious body parts that most would go for boots on the ground.

The problem I have with both of these is that they will be meaningless until we actually act strongly and without fear or favour. Both things might help a little, but what we really need is a wholesale change in how we deal with the problem.

[TheOstrich]

Trouble is, we are playing catch-up with these terrorists, and there's no obvious solution.

You can't negotiate with a global cult, neither can you eradicate it.

[Kaz]

The cuts to the police force have been swingeing under the current government; my ex-police brother in law cannot stand her, and he is not a Labourite!

The current security situation has seen serving officers having to work 14hr shifts, cancel leave and holiday! We need a fully staffed police force!

[cromwell]

Kaz, my son in law is a police officer. He is working 7am-7pm today and tomorrow. He's not Labour either but thinks Theresa May is a rude word. (Clue - it stars with B and ends with itch!).

WM, a new approach isn't going to happen, at least not yet. I know it's a clche to talk about the PC brigade, but they really do exist. The public sector is wracked with PC.

You live in W Yorks; you know how long stories about grooming gangs have been going the rounds - for years and years before their existence was fully exposed by the Rotherham scandal.

Why? Because the local public sector of councils, social workers, politicians and the police are all at the top level run by the PCB. They looked the other way for as long as they could and intimidated those who tried to raise the issue.

On Islamic terrorism, the attitude is the same but it's application is slightly different. You can't deny it exists because when people blow themselves up in public or murder tourists in broad daylight in the middle of London that's impossible. But it is downplayed as much as it can be. The TV news can't say the truth, which is that we have loads of Islamic terrorists in the UK so get used to it, oiks. What they do, night after night on the TV, is to promote "acceptable" responses to a terrorist outrage.
1. Vigil
2. Multi-faith show of unity.
3. Memorial service.
4. Big pile of flowers, balloons, weeping spectators.
5. Quotes about hate beating love,
6. Say these men won't divide us.
7. How the attacker isn't a "real" Muslim.
8. Never forget to mention Jo Cox and "right-wing terrorism".
9. And most importantly and insidiously, play up the ordinary and the normal. Traffic is moving freely. How "uplifting" it is to see ordinary people just going about their business (Louise Minchin on BBC this week). Basically, say how wonderful it is that nobody has gotten angry (and never show angry lots of people are about the outrage). This is a subtle way of trying to normalise the unjustifiable - that 22 people have just been blown to bits.

The media move heaven and earth to suppress public anger as much as possible and promote a narrative about how to react after a terrorist attack - namely, do nothing.

Question Time this week featured a man on who claimed he had been given a leaflet at Didsbury mosque, Manchester.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05 ... t-leaflet/

This leaflet says “modesty, shame and honour have no place in Western civilisation”. Will there be an investigation into who published that leaflet? No, or if there is the massed ranks of the PCB in the Crown Prosection Service won't prosecute. Turn it round. If the local Vicarage had handed out a leaflet saying “modesty, shame and honour have no place in Islam”. Would there be an investigation?

HELL YES. That's the level of double standards these people operate.

The PCB in all levels of our public bodies are moving might and main to downplay the problem as much as they can; to suppress public anger as much as they can. They have no intention of cracking down on Islamic fundamentalism in the UK.

At least, not yet. If there were two or three such outrages in a short period of time not even the mass propaganda media machine and hordes of PCBers could suppress the anger of the public.

So maybe things have to get worse before they will get better.

[Suff]

So maybe things have to get worse before they will get better.

Much.

During the IRA days it was clear. The security services had to get lucky every single day. The IRA only had to get lucky once.

In the era of Moslem fundamentalism, there are literally thousands of sympathisers and hundreds willing to die for the cause. This is not a case of terrorism to achieve an objective such as home rule (IRA), this is terrorism to overwhelm our entire culture and take it over for their own benefit.

I don't know how to make it any clearer. IS became a country with billions in GDP and as many actual active frontline troops as the UK has, or even a few more. This is what these fundamentalists want in the UK and they are willing to murder to get it.

You can put 50,000 more police on the streets, but unless you are in every bedroom, every living room, every phone conversation and every digital communication, then all those 50,000 police are going to do is to be a much quicker first responder to a massacre.

These terrorists love people like Corbyn. Talk, talk, talk and all the while they plan to murder innocents. They don't like people like May because people like May act and act decisively. No time to talk about why they are murdering innocents. Right now the SAS is "assisting" the police in security. Lest anyone forget, the SAS has a license to kill an active terrorist. They don't shoot to wound, they shoot to kill. The Police, on the other hand, must always shoot to wound and not to kill.

Fortunately for my TV I don't watch TV news and I don't keep hard things to hand if I accidentally wind up watching it.

[AliasAggers]

The PCB in all levels of our public bodies are moving might and main to downplay the problem
as much as they can; to suppress public anger as much as they can. They have no intention of cracking
down on Islamic fundamentalism in the UK.

That just about hits the nail on the head. I don't think there will ever be the reaction that is necessary
until it is too late.