In the last day of campaigning for the first round Macron

[Workingman]

Nearly 60:40. Exit stage far-right. Don't let the door hit.... sweetheart.

[Kaz]

Nearly 60:40. Exit stage far-right. Don't let the door hit.... sweetheart.

[Suff]

Not the message.

For 41% to vote for Le Pen, something is seriously wrong.

[Workingman]

Which way?

Do you support Marine Le Farage de Pen, Valérie Pécresse, Eric Zemmour, Eric Ciotti?

Yes, of course you do.

It is why you joined the Cons and voted in the hard right idiot, Johnson, as your leader.
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He is not my leader, and never will be.

[Suff]

I joined the cons and voted for Johnson to break parliament out of a destructive cycle which would break everybody's faith in government.

It was a responsible thing to do. No matter what you think about it. That Parliament was running wild, determined to overrule the choice of the people. Johnson was the person to get the document signed leading parliament to believe they had done enough to destroy brexit then allow an election where they could get the vote of the people to keep on doing what they were doing.

Johnson was the right person because I knew that parliament didn't understand him and would underestimate him. Which they did and the people, not me, gave him an 80 seat majority. The people did that to teach government a lesson and to make them understand that when government asks a question they act on the answer. Not start saying "the people didn't understand"

Or do you blame me for the 80 seat majority? Because I didn't vote in that election. I just made sure they had someone they could vote for instead of against.

Do I support Le Pen? Difficult question. You have to ask yourself what the opposition are calling her a Nazi over?

Banning religious dress which shuns the French nation and, effectively, labels normal French as "unclean"? Yes well that has already been done by "Centre" parties within Europe. They aren't Hitler personified.

Talking about removing illegal Immigrants? Plenty of countries talking about that. Also Sarko wanted to strip religious zealous of French citizenship and eject them. Clearly he was a hitlerite monster? No?

Yes there are fairly horrible and racist parts to the RN. But then a protest vote is only a protest if it introduces some normally unacceptable thing.

We had a friend round last night and he was relieved that Le Pen lost. We were discussing it and I suggested thet if French voters were more sophisticated they would have voted Le Pen in on Sunday then voted for the government in June which crippled any ability for her to do the things she stands for.

A clear message to the political classes that they had better buck up and get their act together in listening to the people.

His face was a picture. He, like so many French, had never considered it for a second. When presented with the thought, he could not deny that it was better than what happened with Macron and the Gilets Jeaune.

My support is neither unconditional nor unreasoning. I vote to get a result. Not through unswerving loyalty or blind dogma.

Difficult to understand? Certainly. Uncomplicated? No.

[victor]

WM, so you think 50.1_of a vote would be a majority but 52 - 48 was not a majority in favour of Brexit?

You can't have it both ways

[cromwell]

Lowest turn out ever. Not good.

[cromwell]

You have to ask yourself what the opposition are calling her a Nazi over?

That's very simple. It's code for "You mustn't vote for this person".

Same with the tag "Far right". People on line have been joking that they didn't know that Le Pen's first name was Marine. They had been listening to the BBC who invariably call her Far Right Le Pen.

If you asked the BBC journalists calling her Far Right what Le Pen's actual policies were, they wouldn't know. "Far Right" and "Nazi" are just labels stuck onto certain politicians that the MSM and their backers don't like.

[Workingman]

"Far Right" and "Nazi" are just labels stuck onto certain politicians that the MSM and their backers don't like.

And "Communist", "Socialist" and "Far Left" are what - the truth? MSM is mainly right wing, mildly, so that MSM argument doesn't stack up.

Martine Le Pen claims that she is far right, it is her description of herself. She lost.

Bless.

[Suff]

Actually she has achieved something no other politician in France has done.

She has taken a party from the extreme right and converted it into a party which generated over 40% in the second round of the French presidential election.

France, a country more likely to vote moderately left than centre right.