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Re: Fantasy Island.

Postby Suff » 21 May 2017, 16:23

Workingman wrote:For a few decades we lived in the fairest society this country, probably any country, has ever produced.


I grew up in them too. Judged by today's standards they were xenophobic, racist and extremely unfair.....

Strange how values change isn't it.
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Re: Fantasy Island.

Postby TheOstrich » 22 May 2017, 18:18

I see Mrs May is now indicating that there will be a possibility of a care cost cap (but at what level?), to be discussed in the Green Paper in due course. No matter how the Tories spin it, it's still pretty much a U-turn of a manifesto policy.

Amazing what a 9 point reduction in your poll lead will do, isn't it? :mrgreen:

However, as far as I am concerned, as things stand, it's still a potential "postcode lottery death tax" - of up to 80% in our case.

Even Mrs O is now contemplating voting Labour ...... :o
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Re: Fantasy Island.

Postby Workingman » 22 May 2017, 19:33

Anyone for a U-turn, or a three point turn, or maybe a handbrake turn just before the cliff edge?

Mother Theresa's Poll Tax?

Unfortunately it has come just a bit too early. The Conservatives will be putting in a lot of strong and stable overtime to ensure it does not happen again in the next few weeks.
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Re: Fantasy Island.

Postby Kaz » 22 May 2017, 20:29

She looked like a rabbit caught in headlights at that press conference :lol:
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Re: Fantasy Island.

Postby AliasAggers » 22 May 2017, 20:41

I'm more certain now than ever that I am going to vote Labour.

And I get the impression that many of the older generation will do the same.

We want ordinary decent people running the country, not a crowd of greedy fat cats
and professional politicians who are completely out of touch with the way we live.
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Re: Fantasy Island.

Postby Suff » 23 May 2017, 08:03

AliasAggers wrote:We want ordinary decent people running the country


Aggers, if you read the Labour Manifesto it says they will stay in the EU customs union, in the EU single market and that they will support the UK Nuclear deterrent.

In short.

Under Labour we will remain under ECJ control with free movement of people and pay €100bn to be in a worse off position than when we voted to leave the EU. Essentially the EU will still be running the UK but with less UK say on what they do.

Corbyn refuses to support full Nuclear deterrent support. If we have learned anything about Corbyn, it is that when he refuses to support something the answer is that he does not agree with Labour Party policy.

Ordinary "decent" people?
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Re: Fantasy Island.

Postby manxie » 23 May 2017, 08:33

Surely though Suff,........... Corbin as an individual has his right to a personal opinion?

Being the leader of the labour party does not mean he has no right to his opinion.......we live in a democratic society and as long as he remains democratic and acts in good faith for the country and us all in it then that is fine by me.

As a man I do admire his grit and determination, he appears to be an honest man of principle, I have listened to many of his speeches and his underlying faith in doing right for the ordinairy people of the UK is not to be doubted.

I personally have little faith in the conservatives to look after us the ordinairy people of the land who just want a job a decent wage to support our families and ultimately a comfortable retirement, it seems to me all the conservatives want to do is make the rich even more rich at the expense of the ill disabled and old who are left to struggle like it was 100 years ago before 2 huge wars and the NHS and welfare state was founded.

Look closely at the NHS for instance see how many services are being sold off to private enterprise to earn profits to go to shareholders not back into the system to improve it.

My wife was a nurse for 46 years and my daughter is also a nurse, Nurses at present are actually worse off financially than they were 7 years ago as the few small pay rises they have had are less than the rise in the cost of living????????

I imagine Drs too are in the same boat and possibly consultants too.

And the government wonders why the NHS is struggling , understaffed, and suffering low morale within the workforce and increasing waiting lists for patients???

Simple they are bleeding the system dry creaming off the profitable sections to sell to pals and letting the rest suffer.

You can bet it won't bother many politicians of all the parties in the house as they gave themselves 11% payrise recently yet a nurse gets offered 1%, how can this be fair???

I often dispair when seeing the news on tv or online and wonder how some politicians can be so selfish spiteful and mean to their fellow men

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Re: Fantasy Island.

Postby Suff » 23 May 2017, 08:58

Manxie, Corbyn is the Leader of Labour. As such he is not allowed a personal opinion on party agreed manifesto pledges. It is simple, he does not agree with the manifesto and will work against it if he were elected PM.

In such a situation, he is neither being honest nor showing integrity. In fact he is showing the clear signs of fundamentalism and ideology.

As for the NHS? My eldest daughter is a finance exec with the NHS. The consultants and the GP's are not suffering, it is the other staff who are suffering. The patient care groups are well funded but won't release funds to the hospitals. The Hospital funds are lost every time someone sues the NHS for a problem in a hospital, not the GP's funds.

If you want to start blaming someone for parts of the NHS going private with money going to shareholders, then start with Labour. It was Labour who refused to take in private health cases and use the private money to fund public services. If they had done that, then the Tories would not have changed it. But they didn't, they got on their ideological high horse and now we are paying the price of it.

Don't start me on the NHS, I know entirely too much about what Blair and Brown did in their catastrophic years. Now the Tories get the bad press for it.
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