£6,173,710. drugs assets missing.

[Workingman]

That is what Leeds Crown Court says some scumbag drugs dealer made from his criminal activities. He claims to only have £7,540.

I have this idea: Seize everything he owns. If that does not cover it move on to all his family and friends, brothers, sisters, mum and dad, uncles and aunts, cousins and seize all they own, and keep going until £6,173,710 is recovered. Then move on to the next convicted dealer, and the next, and the next... do the same.

Give them all a chance to point the finger and if that leads to recoveries, leave them be, but keep and eye on them.

Oh, and if some of them can be deported, deport them.

[victor]

if only if only

[TheOstrich]

Isn't there some sort of Proceeds of Crime Act whereby if the Courts issue a notice to cough up said proceeds, and they don't do it, they get extra years on their sentence?

[Kaz]

I thought so too Ossie.

[Suff]

I have this idea: Seize everything he owns. If that does not cover it move on to all his family and friends, brothers, sisters, mum and dad, uncles and aunts, cousins and seize all they own, and keep going until £6,173,710 is recovered. Then move on to the next convicted dealer, and the next, and the next... do the same.

Give them all a chance to point the finger and if that leads to recoveries, leave them be, but keep and eye on them.

Oh, and if some of them can be deported, deport them.

Sadly not a chance. The next best idea from the home office is seizure on arrest, gives them less time to hide it, but they are anticipating Human Rights challenges to that.

The chances of us seizing the goods of people, not even arrested for a crime, just because of their family link to that criminal, would be in the human rights courts the next day and would have a negative effect rather than a positive one.

I have a much better idea. Once we have left the EU, bring back the death penalty for convicted drug dealers. After all they are ensuring the deaths of people every day. Then the wealth is irrelevant, they can't take it with them.

Much better idea in my mind and quite possible once we have left the treaties. No issues with deportation either, just transport to the local Crematorium afterwards.

[AliasAggers]

I have a much better idea.
Once we have left the EU, bring back the death penalty for convicted drug dealers.
After all they are ensuring the deaths of people every day. Then the wealth is irrelevant,
they can't take it with them.
.

I agree entirely, Suff. In fact I think we should reinstate the death penalty for murder,
and make prison life for other offences so horrendous that we could shorten sentences,
with the knowledge that, once having experienced prison life, ex-convicts would make
sure they did not re-offend.

But I don't really think any of these ideas will be adopted,
Crime is fast becoming a way of life - for too many people.

[Workingman]

I have a much better idea. Once we have left the EU, bring back the death penalty for convicted drug dealers.

A bit of clarification here for those of you who might be tempted into believing all this crap that the EU is responsible for all our woes.

The UK abolished Capital Punishment in 1965, except for a few crimes against the State, such as treason. This was done a decade before we joined the EEC and decades before it evolved into the EU. Leaving the EU will not bring back the death penalty.

When we leave the EU we will still not be able to reinstate the death penalty due to our membership of the ECHR, which has nothing to do with the EU - IT IS A CONVENTION IN ITS OWN RIGHT - and one we would need to withdraw from as a separate issue. Even if we were then not members of both we would still not get the death penalty back because our politicians working in our super Sovereign parliament are overwhelmingly against it, even for terrorism, even if the public wants it - and there is a lot of evidence that we do. Reinstatement in the UK has been tried a number of times and those Bills have always been defeated in both Houses, usually by 2:1.

Just thought you should know.

[Kaz]

Absolutely right Frank, nothing to do with the EU!

[cromwell]

The abolition of the death penalty and the refusal to re-instate it is just more proof that our representatives in Parliament aren't actually very representative of us at all.

[Suff]

The UK abolished Capital Punishment in 1965, except for a few crimes against the State, such as treason. This was done a decade before we joined the EEC and decades before it evolved into the EU. Leaving the EU will not bring back the death penalty.

When we leave the EU we will still not be able to reinstate the death penalty due to our membership of the ECHR, which has nothing to do with the EU - IT IS A CONVENTION IN ITS OWN RIGHT - and one we would need to withdraw from as a separate issue. Even if we were then not members of both we would still not get the death penalty back because our politicians working in our super Sovereign parliament are overwhelmingly against it, even for terrorism, even if the public wants it - and there is a lot of evidence that we do. Reinstatement in the UK has been tried a number of times and those Bills have always been defeated in both Houses, usually by 2:1.

Just thought you should know.

Now let's be honest about this.

We can't leave the ECHR whilst we are members of the EU
We can't reinstate the death penalty whilst we are signatories to the Treaty of Rome and it's subsidiary treaties.

I didn't say the EU was the reason for our woes. Directly. What I said was that the EU limits our choices on how we DEAL with those woes.

That is a fact and nothing I have said is wrong or incorrect.

As we have seen with Brexit, regardless of what our MP's want, if we vote for a party, in sufficient numbers to break down the status quo, we will be offered choices the MP's do not want to give us. Should we, the people, feel that capital punishment is the only way to resolve some of our issues and should a party rise which offers that and should only 16% of the voters actually vote for that party, then we _will_ get a referendum on capital punishment.

Yes there are a LOT Of IF's in there. But rewind 10 years and put the UK in the situation of UKIP. We were _NEVER_ leaving the EU. It was NEVER going to happen, the people were Never getting a vote and even if we did the government were never going to give us what we voted for.

Never is a very long day and people in politics have had to learn that all over again.

In the EU, no matter what we want and what we vote for we CAN NOT have the option for capital punishment.

This is the point I was talking about. In my world it comes under Direct Brexit Benefits.

Reading the press who don't want to tell us how impossible Brexit is, I see:

Mr Barnier has already admitted that keeping a lid on differences between EU member states over Brexit is “difficult” and warned a brewing row over Britain’s divorce bill is the most likely issue to collapse the talks.

The 66-year-old said: “Checking that what I say - the negotiating lines on the Union side - is agreed by everyone is a lot of work. It is difficult for me and for my co-workers.

“There is a lot of work in consultation and in dialogue with the Council and working groups specialising in Brexit, as well as with the European Parliament and of course here with the college.”

That is what we are leaving. If we want capital punishment we would need to convince 27 countries it's a good thing and that we should modify the treaties, then we'd have to overcome a whole bunch of neo liberal elite, then we'd have to convince ~400 MEP's who are selected by PR by an electorate who think it's not important, then we might, just might be able to have a referendum on it.

In two years time all we need to do is start voting for a party that is single issue on capital punishment.

This is the point I'm highlighting.