So now what.....

[saundra]

All mp in. Last night debate should hang there heads in shame at there behaviour I doubt if there is an election they will be voted in again can't see an end to it myself

[Workingman]

So, the next ref would be Deal or No Deal with only the 52% voting, eh?

No point in the 48% taking part as their choice is not there. Nor is there NOTA for the Don't Knows and Don't Cares.

And why is Deal there? All you Brexiteers keep on and on and on and on telling us that you all knew what you were voting for - Leave means Leave, Brexit means Brexit - you, apparently / allegedly, all voted for no-deal.

I know, lets keep it simple and have a ref with no-deal as the only option. Sorted.

[saundra]

Yep simple polite the sooner the better WM spot on after all a deal is a deal

[meriad]

I know, lets keep it simple and have a ref with no-deal as the only option. Sorted.

now that would be an interesting one

[Suff]

WM, the reason you have both choices is because the views of those who wanted to remain are still valid.
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It is not me, or others like me who want to take choices away.

The statement, today, is that those who did vote for Brexit, did not vote for a No Deal Brexit.

Therefore a referendum on whether we leave without a deal or with a deal is valid to ask everyone.

The reason being that only if all Brexit voters vote for no deal will it pass. At which point the question will be moot and the MP's will have to do what they are told.

Why will they not want to ask the question? Because if we say No Deal, then they will not be able to do a deal. Ever.

But this is the way the whole situation has gone from the moment thar Leave won. Offer a sensible solution to exiting and those who want to remain don't want it. Why? Because they don't want to leave and will twist everything to look like they are being betrayed.

Face Facts. Remain Lost. Time to get over it and start pulling with the government to get it done.

This limbo, if dragged on, will cause more long term damage than any kind of no deal exit.

If the betrayers in Parliament do get what they want, I will laugh and laugh and laugh, because it will, eventually, be the end of the UK and that is exactly what that move will deserve.

[saundra]

Well said stuff

[Suff]

Meds, we cannot just put this on Cameron.

UKIP Labour, everyone else, they all had no plan for Leave. After the betrayal in 75 they were confident that that Remain would win.

As soon as Leave won, the remain engine kicked in. What was the first thing they said?

It is non binding
There were not enough voters to make that decision
It was not a big enough majority

In fact, anything to invalidate the result and renege on the promise to the people.

Cameron leaving? The only honourable thing to do. He did not believe in leaving therefore he was not the person to lead us out. Think about May for a second and contrast her with Cameron then consider who was the most able politician.

If anyone is to blame for the current mess, it is the Tory party not insisting that the PM to replace Cemeron, plus the entire cabinet, were dedicated to Brexit.

They will pay that price. As will Corbyn for daring to become Labour PM when his policies appeal to 20% of Labour voters and being more aligned with Terrorists than our own Armed forces.

Right now it is a total clusterfuck. But there is one thing that is totally guaranteed. Those denizens of Westminster are going to face the people and, as Labour found in Scotland, you lie to the people enough and they DO NOT forget easily.

Lest people forget, in the 2015 election, the SNP won all but one seat in Scotland. If you don't understand that in relevant terms, it is like the Greens winning all but one seat in England and Wales.

This was because people had finally had enough and wanted a change.

For England and Wales, that choice has become the Brexit party and the Election is coming as surely as Christmas for the Turkeys. However if the Turkeys make one significant miss-step in Parliament they may find themselves shipped off for thanksgiving.

[Workingman]

Why can't you hardline (minority) ERG Brexit types ever be honest?

The only Brexit you will ever accept is the no-deal type. There is nothing else, no compromise, that will remotely be acceptable to your ideology - it's no-deal or bust - there is no middle ground. Admit it.

You do not give a damn how much your ideology will impact on others, even your own supporters, so long as your elite wins. Collateral damage means nothing to you cowards; and when it, the disaster, eventually happens it will be totally acceptable and you will blame everyone else - it's in your DNA..

That is why we Remainers, who do care for our fellow men and women, will fight you to the end. Many of us would have accepted a Norway style or Canada+ type leave and moved on, but not you guys. We would have compromised, but you had to win at all costs.

For you only crash and burn will do. Reap what you sow.

[Suff]

Why can't you hardline (minority) ERG Brexit types ever be honest?

The only Brexit you will ever accept is the no-deal type.

Not true, I and all like me, would have accepted losing the referendum.

I would have been happy with a sensible deal.

It is the intransigence of the EU, by trying to create Hotel California and the incompetence of May by allowing them to, that I object to.

Parliament trying to invalidate the referendum, sabotage any kind of deal and trying to hold the country hostage by constantly perpetuating A50 until the country is so damaged that they accept virtually anything rather than leave the EU? Now that I am implacably opposed to.

Anything remotely sensible, which meets the decision of the referendum, I am all in favour of. But, right now, there is nothing even remotely sensible coming out of the EU. So let's get out and then, when they need to close the NI border and they can't call German cars "made in the EU" then let us see if they can be sensible then.

After all WE don't care if the border in NI porous or not. It is the EU getting all bent out of shape over that and from where I stand, that is their problem, not ours.

Whilst you and all those who do not want to leave the EU seem to think that No deal is only going to damage the UK, it is clearly evident that the EU will be far more impacted than the UK.

Why?

Because the UK contribution to the EU is virtually invisible. They, the ordinary citizens, cannot see it any more than ours can. Germany sells far more cars to America than they do to the UK. German cars wil be subject to even higher tariffs post Brexit when these cars are no longer classified as "made" in the EU, but "Assembled" in the EU.

So why would they not want to negotiate with the UK for a mutually sensible deal?

First because they fear the breakup of the EU more than they fear a recession in Germany.

Second, because attitudes like yours and those of our Parliament have given them hope that the UK will fold and take all the pain so that they don't need to do anything to solve the situation.

Understand it.

Own it.

Don't keep telling me that I will not accept anything but hard brexit, because that is not true. What I will not accept is what has been offered and remains the only offer.

That is not a negotiation, it Is duress.